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Farmers Backed Trump But Suffer from His Trade War
Townhall ^ | 08/08/2018 | Steven Hilding

Posted on 08/08/2018 8:58:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

The writer of this article is looking through the WRONG end of the binoculars.


21 posted on 08/08/2018 9:50:01 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: FreedomPoster

I was thinking about it today on my way into work listening the Andrew Klavan show from yesterday, and he was talking about the lack of introspection on the Left.

The way Andrew Klavan described the thought processes of the Left, I am certain, they would apply to me without a second thought. How could I refute that?

The analogy I came up with was...toilet water.

Let’s say I was cooking dinner and decided to use toilet water to boil the pasta, make the lemonade, and steam the asparagus.

Water is a fundamental ingredient in each of these things. Can’t boil pasta, make lemonade, or steam asparagus without using water.

If I use water (a fundamental ingredient) to prepare these, and I have taken the water from the toilet, none of these dishes are edible and the lemonade will not be safe to drink.

The pasta may be high end or homemade, the asparagus may be right out of my own garden, and the lemonade may be icy cold and made with the ripest lemons and cane sugar in the correct proportions, but...they are ruined and invalidated as meal items due the the fundamental flaw of using toilet water to prepare them.

With leftist views, there is so much they believe that is predicated on faulty premises, that the flaws from those insinuate into nearly every single stance they take or argument they make.

In economics, they believe in equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity, and that wealth cannot be created from scratch, but must be obtained at the expense of someone less well off.

In warfare, they believe in “fighting fair” (we have overpowering superiority with aircraft, we shouldn’t use our B-52’s against our opponents...it isn’t “fair”) and making the military a jobs program for affirmative action purposes.

In racial relations, they believe in Critical Race Theory and affirmative action, not judging people on their capability.

In sexual matters, they believe that people can be whatever sex, gender, unicorn, or other thing they want to be, not what nature has endowed them with.

I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Every single one of these things is the bedrock of what they believe, and that bedrock percolates up and contaminates every single thing that derives from that bedrock.

I utterly reject it.

On the positive side, I can read a few sentences into nearly any article (with occasional mistakes due to intentional misdirection on the part of the author) and immediately take the measure of the intellectual content of the article and the political stripe of the author. And I can do it pretty accurately. And that saves me a lot of time.


22 posted on 08/08/2018 10:05:19 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Chine buys $1 billion less soybeans from the USA, it will buy them elsewhere.

This will mean that the countries normally buying soybeans from that “elsewhere” will have to resort to US supplies.


23 posted on 08/08/2018 10:09:13 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

“If President Trump reverses course”

President Trump needs to stay on course.

No one expected trade reform to be a pleasant process, but financially balanced trade is what the whole world needs.

A world where everyone that can work has access to work in their own country will be good for the investors of San Francisco and Greenwich too.


24 posted on 08/08/2018 10:13:31 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Dr. Sivana

14 bucks per 100 for milk-thats 14 bucks per 100 pounds. The foreigners are dumping cheese by the boatloads on the US markets while protecting their markets.

From my friend in Wis who is a dairy farmer and his milk goes for cheese.

BTW, that foreign cheese? It doesnt have to meet the same health/quality standards as US cheese does. Some of it has dirt (wont mention what kind of dirt) in it. Oh yes, the cheese makers actually purchase that garbage and test it. They file complaints with the proper authorities and nothing gets done about it.

Make sure you are purchasing US dairy products in the store.


25 posted on 08/08/2018 10:17:04 AM PDT by crz
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To: SeekAndFind

“the rest of the world will find a way to replace American produce in their markets”

Produce is seasonal.

If I want fresh peaches in the winter, they have to come from the Southern Hemisphere.

Blueberry crops come first from Florida and work their way north to New Jersey.

Cherries mainly come from Washington state. They grow on trees and the trees take years to grow.


26 posted on 08/08/2018 10:21:48 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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I thought the media said the only reason we had a 4.1 % growth of GDP was soy bean sales overseas.

The story is overseas buyers were accelerating their buying to beat the tariffs.

Once tariffs are in place exports should drop.

27 posted on 08/08/2018 10:24:16 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: crz

“my friend in Wis who is a dairy farmer and his milk goes for cheese”

In the Eastern US market, the Cabot Dairy Cooperative in Vermont now supplies a lot of the cheese.

If the milk price isn’t good in Wisconsin, perhaps a Wisconsin dairy cooperative is needed.


28 posted on 08/08/2018 10:26:02 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

Imports of Chinese-made goods could be tied to Chinese purchases of American farm goods.

Is the problem serious enough to require that?

Constitution: “The Congress shall have power...to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations”

Note the word “shall”. No trade treaty can ever prevent Congress from regulating foreign trade.

The Chinese government shouldn’t mess with our upcoming Congressional elections.

The European Union shouldn’t mess with our upcoming Congressional elections.


29 posted on 08/08/2018 10:34:57 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“Wisconsin milk prices have reached their lowest point in six years. As of May 2016, the average price has gone below $16 per hundredweight — a common unit in dairy pricing, equaling 11.63 gallons — and sometimes as low as $13. This price is directly related to the price of cheeses and other dairy products made from milk, but it’s also tied to international milk markets.”

“In 2014, Wisconsin’s $43 billion dairy industry exported $479 million worth of products to other countries, according to figures released by state agriculture officials.”

https://wpr.org/here-and-now-dairy-economist-places-falling-milk-prices-global-picture

May 9, 2016

Note the date and don’t blame President Donald Trump.


30 posted on 08/08/2018 10:40:04 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: crz
It doesnt have to meet the same health/quality standards as US cheese does.

Cheese is kind of a special case. I would actually prefer to have the option to buy cheese that does not meet all the current U.S. standards, for taste and quality reasons. The same goes for raw milk.
31 posted on 08/08/2018 10:49:33 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So when you fire back in defense, that’s when it becomes your war? Interesting logic. So that means the US started World War 2 after Pearl Harbor?


32 posted on 08/08/2018 12:18:48 PM PDT by Phillyred
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OK. You go right ahead and eat that crap with hair and manure and such in it.


33 posted on 08/08/2018 12:45:12 PM PDT by crz
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Wisconsin already has Dairy cooperatives. Has had them a hell of a lot longer than anyone else.


34 posted on 08/08/2018 12:47:08 PM PDT by crz
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Where did I say anyone is blaming Trump?

Matter of fact, they are cheering Trump on since at last a president is doing something that prevents the GD foreigners from dumping sub quality products onto OUR markets while restricting OUR imports into their markets.


35 posted on 08/08/2018 12:50:51 PM PDT by crz
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To: rjsimmon

The establishment really wants the US to turn back to a subservient relationship with China.


36 posted on 08/08/2018 1:50:57 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: old curmudgeon

I believe we are Japan’s major customer of soy beans as well. The chances Asia will supplement soy with something else is a pretty small chance.


37 posted on 08/08/2018 1:52:36 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: SeekAndFind

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Ultimately the farmers will win big if they stick with Trump.


38 posted on 08/08/2018 1:53:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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Please tell me the US is importing cheese from Europe - not China. Yuck.


39 posted on 08/08/2018 1:53:29 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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Steven Hilding must ride the short bus to work at the Cognitively impaired Town Hall.


40 posted on 08/08/2018 1:55:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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