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They came to America as adoptees but were never made US citizens
PRI News ^ | December 31, 2015 ยท 11:45 AM EST | Kaomi Goetz

Posted on 07/25/2018 11:23:45 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

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To: Blue House Sue
If not, why is Kim Yang Ai’s case different?

What part of "American parents" aren't you getting?

41 posted on 07/26/2018 1:50:42 PM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: papertyger

“The woman held security clearance to work on a nuke site, something I doubt YOU have.”

Do you believe that once security clearance is granted to a person, citizen or nor, that the person is forever immune from have the status of their security clearance questioned?

BTW-She voted illegally, she illegally obtained a Social Security Card, and she fraudulently applied for a security clearance. She has admitted to all of that.


42 posted on 07/26/2018 1:55:36 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: papertyger

“What part of “American parents” aren’t you getting?”

It does not appear that she can provide documentation of a legal adoption.

Perhaps it was an Undocumented adoption.


43 posted on 07/26/2018 1:57:53 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly; Governor Dinwiddie; FrdmLvr; Blue House Sue; Little Ray; Fury

I haven’t kept up with immigration law, but there was an important caveat when they changed the law in 2000 to provide automatic citizenship to child adoptees.

The parents had to go to the foreign country to adopt the child (at the time, Korea, and perhaps others, would provide a service where the child was air-shipped to the US for an adoption here).

So the basic steps are

US Citizens living in US
Go to a foreign country and adopt a child there
Then return to the US with the child with permanent resident status (the not green “Green Card”
File under the 2000 Act and get a Certificate of Citizenship (I think the court proceeding is still required, but it is pro-forma.)

Any of those elements missing, and other procedures are needed.

Of course, this lady was long before the current law took effect, and LM&C is probably correct as to the court proceeding mentioned in the story.


44 posted on 07/26/2018 3:14:20 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Blue House Sue
Do you believe that once security clearance is granted to a person,

I believe the background check for gaining maintainence access to a nuke site is a hell of a lot more comprehensive than what the SSA ran on her.

45 posted on 07/26/2018 3:55:47 PM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: Blue House Sue
Perhaps it was an Undocumented adoption.

So you’d rather think BOTH the Korean government AND USCIS missed a kidnapping, but the SSA, famous investigative agency that they are (also notorious for denying early benefits on arbitrary pretexts, thus starting an entire legal industry for Americans to obtain benefits they’re due by law), caught this skullduggery?

Furthermore, what sixty year old documentation can YOU lay your hands on without going into the records of the governing agency?

46 posted on 07/26/2018 4:15:56 PM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: papertyger

“Furthermore, what sixty year old documentation can YOU lay your hands on without going into the records of the governing agency?”

Family birth, marriage, death, divorce, and adoption records going back well into the 19th century and on three continents.


47 posted on 07/26/2018 4:22:28 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: Blue House Sue

Congratulations; you’re STILL talking out of your ass.


48 posted on 07/26/2018 4:26:19 PM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: papertyger

You’re wasting your time trying to discuss this with someone whose first post on the thread was “Send ICE Agents to capture and deport her.”


49 posted on 07/26/2018 4:26:59 PM PDT by Fury
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To: papertyger

And no one in the family has had to falsify any birth or adoption records.

However, you will happy to know that in 2016 Kim Yang Ai was allowed to become an American citizen despite her Undocumented status.


50 posted on 07/26/2018 4:33:12 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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>> “I have passed security clearance to work in nuclear plants [and] Air Force bases” <<

How?

You have to state a place and date of birth, among other things. Do they not check any facts before issuing the badges these days?

There’s a bad smell on this one!
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51 posted on 07/26/2018 4:34:19 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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>> “So you’d rather think BOTH the Korean government AND USCIS missed a kidnapping, but the SSA, famous investigative agency that they are (also notorious for denying early benefits on arbitrary pretexts, thus starting an entire legal industry for Americans to obtain benefits they’re due by law), caught this skullduggery?” <<

That is what the evidence shouts.
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52 posted on 07/26/2018 4:39:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PAR35

Not much different before 2000, I don’t think. Back in the 50’s, who knows. I think the big change in 2000 was the auto-citizenship upon adoption.

Early-mid 80’s:

Spent 3 weeks in Honduras adopting our son. Adoption was finalized in Honduras and recognized by US. Immigrant visa issue by US Embassy in Honduras. Private Naturalization ceremony by Federal Judge in Houston. Obtained new US Passport based on the Naturalization certificate. Son still uses Honduran Birth Certificate certified by US Embassy, Naturalization certificate and his several-times renewed passport.

Met many Americans in Honduras that were trying this but without the prep work that we did. Some had been there for months and had maxed out their credit cards. Wouldn’t/couldn’t give up the baby after they had him/her in their hands. Instant bond.

Daughter was flown to Honolulu from South Korea. She was delivered to us in the Honolulu airport after clearing immigration. Flew to Hilo for private adoption ceremony (State Judge) and a new Hawaii birth certificate (She still has the original, unlike others who shall remain nameless). Flew back to Honolulu for public Naturalization ceremony and Naturalization certificate. Obtained new passport on the Naturalization certificate. Daughter still has RSK birth certificate but uses Hawaii birth certificate, Naturalization certificate and several-times renewed passport.


53 posted on 07/27/2018 10:46:22 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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Daughter was flown to Honolulu from South Korea.

That would still require all the steps that you went through. For your Honduras adoption, the new law would have saved you some (but not all) paperwork with INS (or whatever it is called now), but the court proceeding would still be required.

You were wise to get the passport. It's a lot easier than dragging in a pile of paperwork for the driver's license, and job applications, etc. A passport card is even more portable for those things, but you risk running across someone who doesn't know what one is.

And now for a little snark, not aimed at you: A Hawaiian birth certificate? Your daughter could run for president with that.

54 posted on 07/27/2018 3:31:19 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Agree with all you said. The passports were necessary - we were living and working overseas at the time, which is why we adopted internationally. US adoption agencies we contacted wouldn’t talk to us, since we were living outside their control.

“A Hawaiian birth certificate? Your daughter could run for president with that.”

That gave me a chuckle.

I was going to say something similar, but left it at “(She still has the original, unlike others who shall remain nameless).”


55 posted on 07/28/2018 6:43:38 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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