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One point I’ve been making for a while is that one faction of “conservatism”—let’s call it the anti-Trump wing, although the phenomenon long predates Trump—sounds and acts with every passing year more like a “conservative” subdivision of the Left. Like the Left, they don’t want to debate; they want to call those they disagree with evil. For what are those epithets supposed to mean, if not “evil”?

These Never Trumpers are basically indistinguishable from leftists. One question I have is whether these have always been their opinions or whether they have become so unhinged by Trump's unexpected election that they have suddenly adopted these positions as a reason to oppose Trump and Trump supporters. I lean toward the second explanation, although some may fall into one group and some the other.

I see three possibilities. First, the knifers could stop being fratricidal, stop being leftist and learn something about the true basis for conservative principles, so that they stop becoming hysterical over silly errors arising from their own false understanding. Second, one side or the other will take control of the tent and kick the others out. Third, all this continued acrimony might destroy the tent, causing us all to scatter and regroup in more stable and like-minded coalitions.

If the first possibility doesn’t pan out, I don’t know which side will end up owning the word “conservatism.” I’m not sure I even care. The word is now so tainted with error, imprudence, hubris, sanctimony, and failure that it might be better to let others keep it. I do know that change must come—and is coming.

The first won't happen. These people are insane.

1 posted on 07/22/2018 8:53:20 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye

I’ll be back to this, because it looks pretty good on first blush.

Some folks just can’t fathom that it was never intended to grant birthright citizenship to every child born on U. S. soil.

This interpretation needs to be smashed, crushed, and destroyed, because it is a false premise that has cost us dearly.

It is continuing to do so also.


2 posted on 07/22/2018 9:09:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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To: lasereye

It’s my understanding the birthright citizenship was only supposed to be for black and white (indentured) slave children born in what was America at that time. Not for illegals. Never for illegals.

This does need to be clarified and made null and void as the left/GOPe claim it currently is.

I’m not surprised the left/GOPe would get hysterical over getting rid of that loophole since it is vital to their plans to globalize America.


3 posted on 07/22/2018 9:22:05 PM PDT by Boomer (Leftism is the Mental/Moral Equivalent of End Stage Cancer)
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To: lasereye

The American People have been brainwashed into thinking that our Country is not a Sovereign Nation.

They are literally giving it away and if you disagree, you are labeled as an Evil Bigoted person.

I dnn’t see how this will ever change, especially given the state of our Educational System and it’s built in hatred of the Founders of the Republic.


7 posted on 07/22/2018 9:50:23 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: lasereye

14th Amendment was to take care of children of slaves...to guarantee that they would be Citizens.

It was never intended to be used by Illegal Immigrants, and should be removed from the Constitution, IMO.

It no longer matters...every slave that had a child was made a Citizen. Done. Abolish it.


10 posted on 07/22/2018 10:00:12 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: lasereye

Thanks for posting.


11 posted on 07/22/2018 10:09:30 PM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' Grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: lasereye
Birthright citizenship also undermines the consent-based social compact, which is the basis for the legitimacy of the U.S. government and for all our law, constitutional and otherwise. If we don’t have a social compact, we don’t have a country. A social compact that can be joined contrary to the will of its existing members is an impossibility, a self-contradiction.

I made that same point a few weeks ago.


The people of any nation have the right to choose who can join their nation. If they do not have the right to control their own citizenry, then they are at risk of invasion from outside.

There are two ways to join the nation: be the Posterity of its People, or become naturalized by laws passed by the representatives of the people in Congress.

People who are not citizens of this country who birth children in this country take away the right of the citizens of this country to control who may become it's citizens. It is an invasion from within by foreigners to take over the country without the consent of its native citizens.


-PJ

13 posted on 07/23/2018 12:09:00 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: zeestephen

Ping


14 posted on 07/23/2018 1:55:21 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: lasereye

First, I want to congratulate myself for reading the entire post.

I am familiar with the subject, but I was poorly informed on the details.

Second...

I read up on the subject of “Anchor Babies” a couple months ago.

About 300,000 Anchor Babies are born in the USA each year.


16 posted on 07/23/2018 2:49:03 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: lasereye; justiceseeker93; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy

“And subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.

To me that exudes the children of diplomats, tourists, and of course illegal aliens.


17 posted on 07/24/2018 12:32:16 AM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: lasereye
The American people did not willingly, knowingly, or politically adopt birthright citizenship. They were maneuvered into it by the Left and by the Left-allied judiciary. They’ve never debated it or voted on it.

Nonsense. The 14th Amendment went through the same process as all other the other Amendments, including national debate and a vote by the people's representatives in each state.

Does this "constitutional scholar" think we do amendments by plebiscite?

25 posted on 07/24/2018 9:29:44 AM PDT by semimojo
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