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California bullet train authority ordered part of a flawed bridge torn down
L A Times ^ | Jun 08, 2018 | 12:30 PM | Ralph Vartabedian

Posted on 06/08/2018 3:20:41 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Ron Tutor, chief executive of Tutor Perini, said the redesign was not his firm’s fault...

“We designed it and they approved it and then they changed their minds,” Tutor said. “They had a change of heart.”

At least three other bullet train bridges in the Central Valley used the same design as the Avenue 8 bridge and are now being redesigned, according to a January rail authority status update, raising questions about whether potentially more costly designs will be required in the future. The previous design for Avenue 8, using what is known as mechanically stabilized earth walls, is generally considered cheaper than the new design, using cast in place abutments.

The rail authority has acknowledged that it is behind schedule and facing sharply escalating costs, but a new team of executives who took over earlier this year has vowed to make improvements to the execution of the program and re-establish its credibility as the project comes under the leadership of a new governor next year.

Engineering experts say the bridge errors shows such changes are badly needed.

“Having to tear down work and redesign it is an early warning sign of lack of program management,” said Robert Bea, an emeritus civil engineering professor at UC Berkeley and a member of the National Academy of Engineering. “It is very unusual. It is not common.”

The original bridge design had a retaining wall built with mechanically stabilized earth, which uses horizontal layers of reinforcement fabric to hold up retaining walls and concrete support pillars. Rail authority documents say that thousands of cubic yards of soil were brought in to build the bridge approaches. The new design has poured concrete abutments.

Mechanically stabilized earth structures are typically less costly to build than cast concrete systems, but have a high failure rate...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; bridge; bullettrain; california; costoverrun; hsr; lat; tajmahal; traintonowhere; whiteelephant; williegreen
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1 posted on 06/08/2018 3:20:41 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Keep the right-of-ways. Just don’t build it.


2 posted on 06/08/2018 3:21:29 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: BenLurkin

As Willie Green says, “build it and they will come.”

Oh wait... they can’t even design and build a bridge for it!

Still the Bullet Train To Nowhere.


3 posted on 06/08/2018 3:24:55 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BenLurkin
Mechanically stabilized earth structures are typically less costly to build than cast concrete systems, but have a high failure rate...

Couldn't they have used papier-mâché and Elmer's glue?

4 posted on 06/08/2018 3:30:02 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (I can't tell if we live in an Erostocracy (rule by sex) or an Eristocracy (rule by strife and chaos))
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Its fascinating how Democrats are obsessed with nineteenth century transportation technology.

That’s apparently being funded by the gas tax increase.

Idiots.


5 posted on 06/08/2018 3:30:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Lunatics.


6 posted on 06/08/2018 3:32:16 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: KarlInOhio

Several billion dollars and they don’t even have a bridge?

How is the same state that built the Golden State Bridge on time and on budget?

Sheesh.


7 posted on 06/08/2018 3:33:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BenLurkin

I can see it now. 30 years the thing will be ready for opening after spending $150 billion to link SF and LA and the day before it opens a big earthquake hits, knocking at 50% of the bridges.

The greatest waste of money in world history.


8 posted on 06/08/2018 3:34:19 PM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: BenLurkin

Follow the money going to all the RAT donors in CA and right to Moonbeam and his Assembly cohorts, wanna bet?


9 posted on 06/08/2018 3:37:38 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: LRoggy

IF it ever gets built.

Its safe to say though, none of us alive on this thread will get to ride it should it happen by some miracle.

Just bottomless spending up the wazoo and nothing gets done.


10 posted on 06/08/2018 3:40:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BenLurkin
Order of operations for Bullet Train construction.

1. Build

2. Design

3. Raise estimate of cost and also extend delay

11 posted on 06/08/2018 3:42:55 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...excepto for convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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12 posted on 06/08/2018 3:44:44 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: Vaquero

Like the article said, lack of program management and oversight.

But this is a political project, not something run by the private sector so completing a project isn’t critical.

If you have to ask, that’s a feature, not a bug - and not to worry, the taxpayers are covering the fiasco.


13 posted on 06/08/2018 3:52:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BenLurkin

The Mex Met will never be finished.


14 posted on 06/08/2018 3:54:06 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: BenLurkin

What if the bridge authority ordered part of the “J” train torn down?


15 posted on 06/08/2018 3:54:13 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: BenLurkin
This train to nowhere should not see the light of day. Moonbeam Brown will be gone in a few months and this, like Obozo’s legacy, should be torn down and forever shown to be the union boondoggle that it is.
16 posted on 06/08/2018 3:55:02 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: samadams2000

Liberal virtue signaling.

It was never about solving CA’s transportation needs.

Ten years after voters approved it, its still tangled up in paperwork.

You can see bureaucracy in and of itself is a miracle.

As such, it will be around long after the rest of us are gone.


17 posted on 06/08/2018 4:00:03 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: LRoggy

That will still be finished before a 2nd-level US Highway extension first discussed here in the late 1950s


18 posted on 06/08/2018 4:04:22 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: BenLurkin

Shut it down.


19 posted on 06/08/2018 4:05:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: KarlInOhio

“Mechanically stabilized earth structures are typically less costly to build than cast concrete systems, but have a high failure rate...”

Good thing they are in a geologically stable area.


20 posted on 06/08/2018 4:06:04 PM PDT by Rebelbase ( Tagline disabled.)
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