Michael Vlahos, a professor at the Naval War College and John Hopkins, has several good interviews on this on the John Batchelor Show. The podcasts can be found here:
https://audioboom.com/search/posts?q=Michael+Vlahos
He notes that at the beginning of one, people don’t realize it, thinking that things are odd but not that normalcy has become irretrievable.
I will listen thanks.
Please keep this bumped??