Posted on 05/18/2018 10:37:34 AM PDT by Eddie01
The Santa Fe High School shooter who killed between eight and ten people has been named as student Dimitrios ‘Dimitri’ Pagourtzis. Pagourtzis, 17, shared chilling photos on his – now removed – Facebook of a ‘Born to Kill’ t-shirt shortly before Friday morning’s massacre.
Plane 'containing 107 passengers' crashes in Havana, Cuba An Instagram account that appears to belong the 11th-grader shows him following multiple gun-related accounts, including ‘sickguns,’ ‘gunspictures’, as well as others called Guns Fanatics, Guns Lovers and Guns Glory. Only three photos were uploaded to it – a toy rifle attached to an arcade video game, a photo of a frog, and a picture of a gun, knife as well as torch lying on a bed. His Facebook bio declared: ‘YouTube is a Comma Kazi. It’s the one with the kamikaze pilot.
Pagourtzis’ Faceook page blasts YouTube – and reveals his plans to join the Marines. They have no record of him on their system A chilling photo of a ‘Born to Kill’ t-shirt uploaded to Pagourtzis’s Facebook feed, which has since been taken down A photo of the long military jacket Pagourtzis is said to have worn to the massacre.
He explained each of the badges in a caption underneath the photo ‘I’ve got a few playlists there.’ It also instructed people on how to pronounce his name – di-MI-tree-oas pag-OR-cheez – and directed people to watch videos there.
The page also appeared to display a photo of the black trench coat work by Pagourtzis during the massacre. It was adorned with various trinkets, which he explained below. He wrote: ‘Duster Hammer and Sickle = Rebellion Rising Sun = Kamikaze Tactics Iron Cross = Bravery Baphomet = Evil Cthulhu = Power.’ Pagourtzis was hailed as a talented football player on the Santa Fe Indians team – but some students said he was bullied A picture from an Instagram account apparently belonging to Pagourtzis, showing a toy rifle at being pointed at a video arcade game Another photo from the Instagram account showing a pistol, knife and torch on a bed The black and white Iron Cross is the highest German military decoration for bravery. It was introduced in 1813, but was redesigned in 1957 after the German government banned the production of Nazi-associated emblems. Some students claimed that Pagourtzis was bullied by students and another teacher.
A note on the Santa Fe Indians football team’s website hailed his ‘huge role’ in a game last October. Pargourtiz also said on the Facebook page that he was planning on joining the military in 2019, but a spokesman said there was no record of him on their files.
After the massacre, police rushed to the trailer park were Pagourtzis lived amid reports it had been booby-trapped with explosives. He is said to have used improvised explosive devices and pipe bombs during the slaughter.
That’s neither clever or true. It’s the kind of facile thinking that got us where we are today.
To deny that songs can make one “do something” is an admission against interest. That’s what musicians are trying to do in the first place.
Rationalization of sin is what most popular songs are about.
Sounds Greek or somewhere in the Balkans or perhaps the Aegean Sea areas. Maybe even European Turkish...?
Consolidating schools also makes for better sports teams because there’s a larger pool of talent to draw from to compete with the other consolidated schools.
It will be interesting to see in a couple of months who has the biggest fan club and receives the most fan mail. Pigourtzis or Nikolas Cruz. Which one receives the most marriage proposals from middle school princesses and “transgender” males is also going to be interesting to see.
Sounds Greek.
Was he born here or an “import”?
I’m not sure what the peace symbol means to him, but to me peace doesn’t involve shooting innocent people.
Let's examine your thesis, that music can make you "do something" by considering the gun controller who uses the same kind of facile thinking that got us where we are today . Can guns make someone "do something"? Gun controllers like to ban guns instead of focusing on the behavior of the one pulling the trigger. No gun ever forced a holder to shoot, just like no song ever forced a listener to do (insert bad activity here). The banner of guns is a philosophical cousin of the individual who blames the song - and they are equally wrong in their reasoning.
It doesn't matter if music and the arts can flame passions. Certainly the Founders were aware of filthy art and pornography. Yet is wasn't banned in the Constitution. Indeed, getting to Heaven is grounded in personal responsibility. When I get to the gates of Heaven, I will be judged on my actions. I don't believe Jesus will let me slide on the argument that "the song made me do it." If we blame the song, then we will lose souls.
As for musicians' intent, most of the ones I know/have met are interested in paying their bills and supporting their family. Of course some of them have nefarious plans - no society is perfect. Furthermore, while some genres have a physical focus in their lyrics an increasingly large portion of rock bands eschew that focus and instead focus on society or other, less carnal themes. Regardless, let's not ban guns...we must go back to personal responsibility.
If we REALLY want to get at root causes of shooters gone wild, a more fruitful dialogue would focus on prescription meds than the arts. Further, many people are medicated because the family has been destroyed, but it is difficult for people of faith to have that talk when large swaths of the congregation are on their second spouse, and the children are all freaked out because Dad left Mom for a trophy wife again or Mom and Dad think a marriage is a simple contract that can be dissolved. The kids? "Divorce is ok. The kids' lives will be better because Mom and Dad will be happier apart." Whoever dreamt up this line of reasoning was truly demonic.
That's where we are today...the family is under siege, society welcomes divorce, and THAT selfish behavior has more likely spawned more shootings and mayhem than the arts.
Amen.
I agree with your entire post except for the capitulation to tolerating sinful ideas as "Art". That selfish behavior which you describe is rationalized and justified by the "Arts" which informs popular culture. All the fine principles you mentioned, such as personal responsibility, the desirability of an intact nuclear family, etc are antithetical to our popular culture.
Guns are tools. They don't make people do anything, obviously we agree on that. Ideas and thoughts are different.
Wearing a "Born To Kill" T-shirt is an action whose idea is connected to the movie Full Metal Jacket.
Zappa's quote is shallow and unthoughtful because it assumes "Love" songs to be about people loving one another in the highest and best sense, when actually they do not. Let's not forget the context, (PMRC) which was that he wanted to be free of accountability.
Also do not forget that these kids grew up in a culture that devalues life. They have been taught that it is perfectly acceptable to snuff an infant’s life for convenience; why would we expect any child raised in this culture to have respect for human life?
Most of them made threats before doing it too.
RE “Sick Society” and “mental illness”:
It’s a bit of both, Rebel. Mental illness in as much as it takes someone truly unstable to contemplate killing other people like that. Who knows what influences - other than the hammer and sickle commie crap which is bad enough - set this little freakshow off.
Sick Society in that we have one side of the political divide - the Left - that revels in it for the express purpose of undermining the rights of others for THEIR sick agenda.
I fear you are mistreating my support for natural rights as throwing in the towel on morality. It is also why I see the right to keep and bear arms to be The very same framework underpinning the marketplace for ideas which, to be sure, is used to push content which I find abhorrent, is the same framework supporting the marketplace for morality. While I DO believe there is a right and wrong, I understand my natural right to that belief in many countries would be quashed by a totalitarian framework. In America, for now, I can find value in Frank Zappa's music AND go to Church AND rail against some of Zappa's dumber content.
There is noting stopping men and and women of good character from getting on a (privately-funded) soapbox and bemoaning the latest trash from Hollywood, the recording industry, and Madison Avenue. I've done it and will continue to do it. I simply don't believe the government has a role to play in this realm.
Further I acknowledge that "Love songs" come in many forms...some are pure, some are sex masquerading as pure. That's immaterial.
It seems our impasses is in the extent to which we believe state power is permitted in this realm. If you believe the PMRC hearings were about "accountability," then it seems that belief may be embodied in Sen Hollings' quote that "
I'll be looking from this senator's standpoint not just to bring pression, but to try to see if there is some constitutional provision to tax, or procedure can be used on the Congress to limit this outrageous filth.
i appreciate the cogent discussion. Thank you.
What happened to reports of another accomplice being arrested?
Last report said acted alone.
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Manufactured by school teachers!
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Public schools manufacture “mental illness.”
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