Posted on 04/27/2018 10:44:08 AM PDT by blam
A judge ruled that a bar was well within its right to kick out Trump supporters. And this is great news.
Not because I have any particular animosity towards Trump supporters (any more than other enablers of government oppression). I’m not saying Trump supporters should be kicked out of bars. If I owned a bar I certainly wouldn’t kick out Trump supporters. After all, it’s not like the Bernie supporters have enough money to keep a business afloat.
But this is a win for freedom of association. All interactions should be consensual. Obviously, we understand this concept when it comes to relationships and sex. But for some reason, fewer people hold consent as so important when it comes to business transactions.
You don’t have to go to a bar, and a bar doesn’t have to serve you.
But this does seem like quite the contradiction compared to courts forcing bakers to bake cakes for gay couples.
The distinction, in this case, is that the bar did not deny someone based on religious beliefs. Political discrimination is allowed. So you cannot deny a customer based on your own religious beliefs, but you can deny a customer based on their–and your–political beliefs. Unless of course, that customer holds a protected political belief, in which case you still cannot deny them.
Some people think that when a business opens their doors, they are waiving their right to deny service to any peaceful customer willing to pay the price for a product on offer.
But imagine extreme examples where the store owner should absolutely be able to deny a customer.
A Jewish-owned bagel shop advertises that they will make your bagels into any shape you want. Can they deny a Neo-Nazi who wants a dozen swastika bagels?
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The problem is, the Left made all of their favorite causes “protected.”
Businesses have the right to refuse to serve any one.
Then again, you’re free to look elsewhere.
Unless it’s to protect a Christian cause, then an exception will be created from whole cloth.
Right. That’s what those cakes were about.
They also have the right to serve refuse to anyone. And in that case, we’re also free to look elsewhere.
When liberals speak about "nuanced thought," they mean engaging in verbal games of a sort which Jesuits or Talmudic scholars were once accused of. Through their verbal games, they can justify criticizing the speck in Trump's eye while ignoring the plank in Hillary's eye.
WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
The path is clear, just ban all these liberal clowns from your business based on their political association.
Ok, works for me.
Just ask gays if they are democrats. If so, refuse business.
So, now a bakery can ask what political party you supported, and deny you their services!..................Great................
One of the bakers got a California to judge agree that the act of baking a cake was artistic expression, and an artist cannot be forced to express sentiments against their beliefs. Buying an off the shelf generic good is okay, but custom designing a cake for a gay wedding can be denied.
Taking this to the bar, the owner might be required to serve the Trump supporter a beer or glass of wine, but might refuse to mix a custom cocktail.
-PJ
I don’t feel you have the right to deny “regular” service or goods to anyone. You walk into a bar and expect to be served. You don’t have the expectation that the bartender do it a certain way. My understanding is the bakeries did sell to LGBT people but when asked to perform in a certain way they drew the line.
No one wants to be told we don’t serve your kind. How humiliating to the recipient but you can surely tell them we don’t do it that way. The bar is wrong and the bakery is right.
I stopped going to the only bar I went to 5 years ago. Most of the regulars were retired gubmint employees and Democrat. Waste of time and money.
The bar is a public accommodation, and a gay lifestyle is not a religious belief, that’s where I think the author goes wrong.
I think I'd pretty much agree with that. Which means that the activists judges were wrong both times.
Patron to bar: Look, I just want to come in a have a bottle of beer.
Bar: Nope. I see your Trump hat. We don't serve your kind. Get out.
Judge: The bar is right, you know.
Customer to bakery: I'd like a cake.
Bakery: Certainly! I'm happy to sell you a cake.
Customer: And I want to you to decorate it and praise homosexuality and say God loves homosexuals.
Bakery: Uhhhhhhh. No, I'd rather not. Happy to sell you the cake, but those additions cross the line, and I decline to add those.
Judge: Not a choice. Bake the cake or we will destroy you.
As a matter of law and of property rights, this is correct. they can boot Trump supporters if they choose to.
But could we boot Hillary supporters or other libs from our business establishment? Anyone want to put money on that?
Depends on why they refuse to serve them.
Let's try it and find out? I'd pay money to watch that.
If I order an Absolut vodka martini then I have every expectation that the bartender will do it way.
Also a custom-decorated cake is art, and a beer is not. The author managed to be wrong in all of the relevant points.
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