Posted on 04/01/2018 9:05:49 AM PDT by Simon Green
It sure would...except that like so many other claims of yours there isn’t a shred of truth to it. Grant owned a single slave which he freed in 1859. After 1864 Grant and his wife didn’t live anywhere where slavery was legal. The claim that he owned slaves up until the ratification of the 13th Amendment - and some lost causers have even claimed he owned them after the ratification - is complete fantasy.
Do you deny that many unionists owned slaves or that slaves built the capital dome during the war too?
Nice try at obfuscation but as usual, you fail.
I have no doubt that there were Unionist slave owners in Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri. Grant's in-laws were two of them. As for the capitol dome, whether slaves worked on that is unknown. There is no evidence that they did and no evidence that they did not. Link
Nice try at obfuscation but as usual, you fail.
Pointing out yet another example of your false claims and bald-faced lies is not "obfuscation". It's looking like a full-time career.
Can't do it, huh? Well I'll leave it with the evidence I've already posted.
I have no doubt that there were Unionist slave owners in Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri. Grant’s in-laws were two of them. As for the capitol dome, whether slaves worked on that is unknown. There is no evidence that they did and no evidence that they did not
The US Congress commissioned a study in 2005 that concluded that they did....though yes the exact records are spotty. They certainly were used to build much of the rest of Washington DC and Lincoln was in no hurry to free them.
Pointing out your BS and lies takes up a considerable amount of time. Fortunately, I enjoy it so I’ll just keep right on doing it.
Can’t do it, huh? Well I’ll leave it with the evidence I’ve already posted.
Its not my responsibility to provide evidence to support YOUR claims. That’s on you and you are the one who can’t do it. Trying to claim I’m the one who failed to provide evidence rather than you is a classic example of projection.
The 2005 study found that slave labor was used to build the Capitol building between 1793 and 1826. You specifically referred to slaves being used to build the Capitol dome thirty-odd years later. There is no evidence showing slaves worked on that, and no evidence that they didn't either so your claim that they did may or may not be true. But that didn't stop you from making the claim without evidence to support it.
They certainly were used to build much of the rest of Washington DC and Lincoln was in no hurry to free them.
Congress freed them in D.C. in April 1862.
Pointing out your BS and lies takes up a considerable amount of time. Fortunately, I enjoy it so I’ll just keep right on doing it.
Well let's see. In the one original post I pointed out that you lied when you claimed Grant owned slaves through the Civil War and you lied on your blanket claim that slaves built the Capitol dome. And you're fighting my lies?
The 2005 study found that slave labor was used to build the Capitol building between 1793 and 1826. You specifically referred to slaves being used to build the Capitol dome thirty-odd years later. There is no evidence showing slaves worked on that, and no evidence that they didn’t either so your claim that they did may or may not be true. But that didn’t stop you from making the claim without evidence to support it.
I’ve seen accounts that they were used. No doubt the definitive proof is scant since slaves were not considered to be of any importance so their names were not noted for work performed. There was slavery in Washington DC during the war at the time the capital dome was completed. Slave labor had been used to construct several other government buildings including the White House.
Yes as I said, Lincoln was in no hurry.
“I am a little uneasy about the abolition of slavery in the District of Columbia” Abe Lincoln March 24 1862 in a letter to Horace Greeley, New York Tribune editor
Well let’s see, you just lied when you claimed I lied by saying slaves built the capital dome since you have failed to provide any evidence that they did not. We know there was still slavery in Washington DC during the war.
As for the Grants, here is a source saying they did own slaves who were not freed until 1865.
http://www.american-presidents.org/2007/02/grant-was-slave-owner.html
Here is another saying his wife inherited 4 slaves.
https://www.answers.com/Q/Did_US_Grant_own_slaves
Any more BS and lies you want to spew?
Yet they were documented as part of the workforce used to build the Capitol itself but not noted as part of the dome? Odd.
Yes as I said, Lincoln was in no hurry.
Since Congress exercised legislative control over the district Lincoln had little to do with it.
As for the Grants, here is a source saying they did own slaves who were not freed until 1865.
A blog? Really? Why go to sources like biographies and histories when you can rely on a blog? The question of whether Grant owned slaves during the Civil War is settled. Grant owned a single slave which he freed in 1859. Julia Grant had the use of four slaves for much of her married life. Ownership of the slaves remained with her father. In his Grant biography, Ron Chernow details that Federick Dent disliked his son-in-law. He thought he was beneath his daughter and distrusted his abolitionist family. Because of that he never transferred ownership of the slaves to his daughter because under the laws in effect at the time Grant legally controlled them and could free them if he wished. Most accounts have the Dent family slaves, including those used by Julia, running away from the Dent plantation early in 1863. In any event there is no evidence of Julia Grant being seen with the slaves during her visits to her husband in 1863 through 1865.
Here is another saying his wife inherited 4 slaves.
Actually it says Grant inherited the slave, which is a neat trick considering Frederick Dent didn't die until 1873. The slave was given to him by Dent. The site says Julia Grant owned four slaves. But I've given my source for showing why she didn't own them and the website gives no source for the claim that she did. But there is no doubt as to which you will say is accurate.
Any more BS and lies you want to spew?
Can't. Too busy disputing your's.
Yet they were documented as part of the workforce used to build the Capitol itself but not noted as part of the dome? Odd.
None of it was very well documented at all....but the accounts of witnesses were that slaves were used. There was slavery in Washington DC during the war. That is indisputable.
Not directly...nevertheless he sure didn’t push for it or favor it.
You claimed I was “lying”. I provided you two sources right away. Now you pivot smoothly from that to whining about the sources. LOL!
and lying in the process yourself since you claimed I was “lying” yet I was able to provide two sources after a quick net search.
At least until 1862.
Not directly...nevertheless he sure didn’t push for it or favor it.
There you go with the blanket and factually incorrect statements. Lincoln first offered a compensated emancipation plan in 1849 when he was a congressman. When the plan was offered again in 1861 Lincoln offered a several changes, some which were added to the bill and some which were not. He was fully behind the bill that was passed.
You claimed I was “lying”. I provided you two sources right away. Now you pivot smoothly from that to whining about the sources. LOL!
Two sources which do not support your blanket claims and which are also refuted by other sources. The fact that neither Grant or his wife owned slaves after 1859 is well documented by Grant biographers. Since you like online sources, be they blogs or whatever, then here are some. This source mentions how all the slaves at White Haven had run off over the course of the rebellion. Since you like blogs then here is a blog that also disputes it. Or you could read a Grant biography but that might be too much like work for you.
and lying in the process yourself since you claimed I was “lying” yet I was able to provide two sources after a quick net search.
And I was able to provide sources that refuted yours.
Yeah I got an Instagram from Grant telling me he only had the one slave - which he manumitted. There, now you have three sources to refute what’s his face ;’}
I used to have Grant's Tweet on the subject but I lost the link.
Two sources which do not support your blanket claims and which are also refuted by other sources. The fact that neither Grant or his wife owned slaves after 1859 is well documented by Grant biographers. Since you like online sources, be they blogs or whatever, then here are some. This source mentions how all the slaves at White Haven had run off over the course of the rebellion. Since you like blogs then here is a blog that also disputes it. Or you could read a Grant biography but that might be too much like work for you.
The two sources do back what I had said. Thus disproving your claim that I was “lying”....but of course I am not the least bit surprised you can’t bring yourself to admit that.
Ah so we have a battle of sources.....not that I was “lying” as you claimed.
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