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Breaking: DOJ Reclassifies Bump Fire Stocks as Machine Guns
The Truth About Guns ^ | 03/10/18 | Dan Zimmerman

Posted on 03/10/2018 12:47:25 PM PST by Simon Green

In the post-Parkland hysteria, President Trump directed the Department of Justice to perform some regulatory legerdemain where bump fire stocks are concerned. The ATF had long ago passed on the stocks, deeming them perfectly legal accessories for semi-automatic rifles. Now, in a Saturday morning move apparently meant to fly under the radar . . .

The U.S. Department of Justice formally submitted a regulation on Saturday to ban “bump stocks,” a modification to high-capacity rifles that lets them fire like an automatic weapon.

President Donald Trump signed a memorandum in February directing the department to make the regulatory change, which must now be approved by the Office of Management and Budget before it is published and subject to a commentary period.

Nothing to worry about though…that will never get through Congress! Au contraire, mon frere.

The move does not require congressional approval, allowing the administration to side-step what could have been insurmountable pressure from pro-gun groups such as the National Rifle Association that have worked to erode changes in firearm laws in the wake of mass shootings in Florida and Nevada.

It’s no biggie, though. Really, now many people own, or even want a bump fire stock? This won’t affect me!

Think again. If the DOJ can use regulatory fiat to bring their ban hammer down on bump fire stocks, magically deeming them machine guns, what’s to stop this or, more likely, some future administration from deciding that “high-capacity” 30-round magazines are also unacceptable modifications that facilitate “unnecessary” rates of fire? Or lighter, drop-in triggers? Anything that could plausibly be argued to increase a gun’s “standard” rate of fire.

The NRA was on board with regulating bump fire stocks in theory, but hadn’t signed on to this particular move. This sets a terrible regulatory precedent that will almost surely be expanded and abused again down the road. Will the NRA sue? Will SAF or the GOA?

We haven’t been able to get our mitts on the new DOJ regulatory language yet, but will publish it when it’s available. Stay tuned.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4dchess; badpolicy; banglist; bloggers; boom; braking; bumpstocks; doj; triplechess; trump; trumpbanglist
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To: precisionshootist

Neither does the president get to make law.


41 posted on 03/10/2018 2:03:01 PM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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To: Simon Green

Slide Fire Bump stock
http://slidefire.com/videos/

If you can watch this video and still say that the this AR15, with a Bump Stock engaged, isn’t an automatic gun or machine gun, then you’re on drugs.


42 posted on 03/10/2018 2:05:54 PM PST by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: Simon Green

I don’t care much about bump stocks, but I don’t like this.


43 posted on 03/10/2018 2:10:01 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: chris37

Heck, Jerry Miculek can make a six shooter like a machine gun. Will they outlaw him next?

Outlawing objects does nothing when the people with bad intent are not deal with. Other than possibly a Nambu, no gun has ever just fired on it’s own without some one operating it. Until this is understood, no honest person will be safe from a gun control zealot.


44 posted on 03/10/2018 2:12:50 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: MaxistheBest

Do you think binary triggers are machine guns as well?


46 posted on 03/10/2018 2:13:05 PM PST by Simon Green
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To: Simon Green

I have been maintaining here from the recent first appearance of “bump-fire stocks”, that Obama’s administration declared them legal to attack the ownership of all semi-automatic firearms. All semi-autos can be bump-fired, with or without bump-fire stock.


47 posted on 03/10/2018 2:13:44 PM PST by myerson
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To: RandallFlagg

Don’t think so.


48 posted on 03/10/2018 2:14:12 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Simon Green

“Do you think binary triggers are machine guns as well?”

Do YOU think they are machine guns? How fast can you fire?


49 posted on 03/10/2018 2:15:31 PM PST by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: MaxistheBest

Maybe you can explain why the EPA, the IRS, the BATFE, the department of education and nearly every local police departments ALL have machine guns. Since you know what a machine gun is and what they are used for please explain why dozens of government agencies and the police need them but the American People should be banned from having them.


50 posted on 03/10/2018 2:16:36 PM PST by precisionshootist
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To: Dutch Boy
Heck, Jerry Miculek can make a six shooter like a machine gun.

I pointed this out to a gun grabber on another forum once. He replied that all revolvers should be banned.

51 posted on 03/10/2018 2:19:21 PM PST by Simon Green
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To: Simon Green

It seems to me that it is a lot easier to autofire with a bump stock than a binary trigger setup.

by the way, check out the second video...she killed everything but her target!
http://slidefire.com/videos/


52 posted on 03/10/2018 2:19:28 PM PST by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: Simon Green

Good luck in 2018, Trump. I’ll be sitting home. Enjoy your impeachment in 2019.

Signed,

A former backer.


53 posted on 03/10/2018 2:20:39 PM PST by Lazamataz (What America needs is more Hogg control.)
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To: precisionshootist

“Since you know what a machine gun is and what they are used for”

Relax slim...who said anything about law enforcement. What’s your point?


54 posted on 03/10/2018 2:21:26 PM PST by MaxistheBest (...)
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To: Simon Green

What about rubber bands? Those can be used for the same purpose.


55 posted on 03/10/2018 2:24:49 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Simon Green

I had to look up what a binary trigger is - interesting. (Fires upon pulling AND releasing of the trigger - about $600 for the trigger assembly.)

Here in the state of Washington some guy was pushing a bill to ban bump stocks along with another three pages of stuff - including “modifications to triggers to increase their rate of fire”. Of course the way the law was written, that could have meant having your trigger smoothed out by a gunsmith.

It didn’t even get pushed through the session luckily. Although last year the law to keep guns out of felon’s hands passed. It outlaws private gun sales. Of course - in the the 18 pages of the law, it also makes it illegal to let your buddy shoot your gun down at the gun range! Seriously. (Of course nobody worries about it.)


56 posted on 03/10/2018 2:25:27 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: Simon Green

Think of the comedy. You can now get wrestled to the ground and cuffed for carrying around a hollow piece of wood shaped like a gun stock and making machine gun noises. Your defense will be, “I didn’t install the spring on the bottom, Judge.”


57 posted on 03/10/2018 2:25:29 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Simon Green
Anything that could plausibly be argued to increase a gun’s “standard” rate of fire.

is that possible?
58 posted on 03/10/2018 2:27:05 PM PST by stylin19a (Best.Election.of.All-Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: MaxistheBest
It seems to me that it is a lot easier to autofire with a bump stock than a binary trigger setup.

I disagree. Check this out:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CcLGRZfX5C0

59 posted on 03/10/2018 2:27:20 PM PST by Simon Green
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To: Eleutheria5

Also, “I don’t even own a gun.”


60 posted on 03/10/2018 2:27:29 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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