Posted on 02/22/2018 9:23:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Exactly, and also the school is responsible for the kids safety after you drop them off. A few multi million dollar lawsuits will help the schools get their thinking right.
Just one of many reasons this cannot and should not be a plan depending onwhether or not someone wishes to participate.
This fools' fantasy is wholly unrealistic.
The most practical, viable plan is simply to cease making school properties gun-free target-rich locations, and granting the 2nd Amendment its proper place in a supposedly free society.
So, you are going to dictate to teachers and other school employees that they must be willing to shoot whatever of their students has a bad atitude? Looks like your idea belongs in a dictatorship, not one where a choice of philosophy is viable.
I’ve got an idea, let’s close all the schools and fire all the teachers?
Everyone can homeschool and will get a better education without the liberal commie teacher brainwashing.
Can’t the National Guard be put in place to help out on a monthly basis?
A person who can plan a school shooting can also plan to murder one ‘designated target’. Taking out twenty percent of the teachers is a whole ‘nother’ thing...
Hear are my suggestion(s):
For High Schools: Military recruiters on site. Armed them, but only tell key officials.
* allow local police/sheriff to have satellite office in school (just having a cop car parked outside could help as a deterrent)
* Security cameras at all ingress/egress points and hallways (no brainer).
* When school starts: doors locked from the inside. Must be buzzed in (pre-appointment strongly suggested). This is already the case at many schools.
* Armed teachers, trained to use firearms. The better trained gets higher pay can is stationed closest to the entry and exit points.
* Develop emergency exits strategies that DONT rely on shelter-in-place (i.e. sit and wait for someone to come kill you) which is the current strategy design to keep cops safe while attempting to clear the building.
* if a potential perp makes terrorist threats (that’s what they are called in many states), file report with LOCAL police. Take copy of police report to all local gun shops in the area. I’d even consider alerting the local news media.
You may not like it but: Metal detectors work in inner-city schools (notice few to no mass shootings?) I don’t advocate here due to costs.
And as you can see, except for the military recruiters, there’s NO federal involvement needed.
But eventually I started following my instincts to exercise the liberty to carry a gun, even to church. In fact, within the last couple of months the highest Court in the state declared the ordinance of forbidding personal armament in state parks to be unConstitutional.
So now the only forbidden areas are schools, state offices, federally restricted properties, such village offices as have instituted a local ordinance, and businesses with signage at their entry points.
Be warned, though, this is not a "shall issue" state, although a citizen needs no premises licence to own and have availability of (a) handgun(s) in their own home, nor any laws about assault guns or magazine capacities.
...and it'll work better - MUCH BETTER than ONE easily identified and easily taken out uniformed professional.
A person who can plan a school shooting can also plan to murder one ‘designated target’ first. Taking out twenty percent of teachers is a whole ‘nother’ thing...
Just remove the "gun free zone" shackle from schools which will allow teachers who want to carry to do so.
And there would be no need to identify those who had access to guns on campus, just like airline security people are never identified when onboard.
Do you have any idea how heavily vetted teachers are already? Still perverts slip through.
Well you cite laws that would prohibit teachers from participating, maybe they can pass a law that would permit them, or maybe that wouldn't occur to you.
You have gone off the deep end.
Consider how the situation would be if the families were allowed to sue the schools for the loss of their children? How much would the school spend to avoid this? Then suppose that the school could avoid these lawsuits if and only if they show that a certain percentage of adults on campus were carrying concealed firearms and taking regular firearm training. Finally, you would exempt these armed adults by what one sheriff is doing, Making them official deputies while they are acting against an active shooter incident on the school grounds. They would in turn be responsible for any accidental discharge of the firearm., An official signal would be needed to release this awesome team activity and that would be the signal that immunity from prosecution was in force. BTW, this certainly beats urging your class to get down on the floor and blocking the shooter’s path with your unarmed body.
I have seen other things proposed but all are costly and also turn the school into an airport. Can you imagine how long a fire alarm would take if your entire student body had to leave the building and then enter via one or two checkpoints? How many guards would be necessary to wand every student who failed the metal detector or backpack?
The sheriff who offered training for faculty (looking for a class of 50) ended up with 250 applicants. I agree with Trump that you must have an offensive capability to act while waiting for the actual police to arrive. The idea he came up with was to pay these teachers a bonus (and while you would admit you had armed faculty, the actual carrying faculty members would not be disclosed.
No faculty member would be prohibited from joining this tactical group unless they failed the physical and training requirements. However no faculty would be required to do this as a condition of employment.
It seems to me that this would be similar to when I was teaching and coaching the JV Soccer team. It was not required but while I was trying to get tenure, it looked good for me to have the additional responsibility.
Nope teachers have to pay for their own continuing education. That does however lead to higher pay in most cases.
“You sound like a retired cop who wants to pad his pension with some more taxpayer loot and you don’t want any scabs lousing up your gravy train”
You assume too much.
Exactly. Utah had already been doing that for a long time. Their teachers and staff aren't required to get a CCW permit, but they are allowed to if they want to. And those who do are allowed to bring their own guns to school with them. So, those schools don't even have to buy them guns, because they have their own. And the schools have no need to hire more security guards, because the teachers and staff are their own security. And all during that time, I can't think of a single instance when that state had a mass school shooting.
You did, if you read your own Post #38. Your own words, clearly dictatorial.
Are you dictating that the teachers don't carry? Are you preventing them from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights on school property? Looks like your idea belongs in a dictatorship, not one where a choice of philosophy is viable.
Not at all, But here you are assuming you can read my mind, and are attributing thoughts that I did not have and words that I did not say, while at the same time you disclaim your own words. That is not acceptable here, so you can quit that right now or risk being zotted.
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