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Ross Douthat’s Latest Gun Control Proposals Completely Miss The Mark (Ban AR-15 for Under 30's)
The Federalist ^ | 02/19/2018 | Sean Davis

Posted on 02/19/2018 7:05:59 PM PST by SeekAndFind

In his most recent column for The New York Times, conservative writer Ross Douthat tackled the mass shooting at a school in Parkland, Florida, which left 17 innocent people dead. While Douthat is typically measured and even-handed in considering what is driving men of a certain age and demographic profile to purchase deadly weapons and direct their fire at innocent people, his recommended solution to the problem — age-based bans on certain weapons — completely misses the mark.

Specifically, Douthat recommends that “hunting rifles,” which he does not define, be legal to own once an individual reaches 18 years of age. Revolvers, under Douthat’s suggested gun control regime, would be legal at age 21. Semi-automatic pistols would be legal when an individual turned 25, and semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 could not be sold to anyone under 30:

“Which leaves me wondering if there’s a way to adapt a high-minded vision of guns and citizenship to our era of extended adolescence and young-male anomie.

“For instance, instead of debating gun regulations that would apply to every gun owner, we could consider limits that are imposed on youth and removed with age. After all, the fullness of adult citizenship is not bestowed at once: Driving precedes voting precedes drinking, and the right to stand for certain offices is granted only in your thirties.

“Perhaps the self-arming of citizens could be similarly staggered. Let 18-year-olds own hunting rifles. Make revolvers available at 21. Semiautomatic pistols, at 25. And semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15 could be sold to 30-year-olds but no one younger.”

These recommendations evince not only a lack of understanding of guns, but a complete unfamiliarity with U.S. data on violent crime, weapon usage, and mass shootings. In fact, the most damning indictment of Douthat’s gun control proposal is the data on mass shootings. Contrary to his suggestion that “isolated young men” are the most likely perpetrators of mass shootings, the data show otherwise. Since the 1966 shooting at the University of Texas, an incident which many believe touched off the modern phenomenon of mass shootings (defined as a public shooting in which 4 or more people were killed), there have been 150 shootings involving 153 individuals, according to a detailed database published by the Washington Post. Of those, 150 were men, and the ages of 148 of them are known.

The average of those male mass shooters is just over 33 years old. While media coverage of these shootings can often give the impression that they are committed primarily by young men in their late teens or twenties, the data show otherwise. In fact, 55 percent of all public mass shootings in the U.S. since 1966 have been committed by men who were at least 30 years old. The deadliest mass shooting in American history, which occurred in Las Vegas in 2017, was perpetrated by a 64-year-old man. Forty-one percent of shootings, according to data from The Washington Post, were committed by men between the ages of 18 and 29 (4 percent were committed by those younger than 18).

Those data alone, which show that mass shootings are far more likely to be committed by those outside of Douthat’s proposed limits, demonstrate the folly of his gun control recommendations. But it’s not just the actual age of shooters which calls into question Douthat’s age-based bans; weapon usage statistics also contradict his calls for new strict regulations on rifles.

Although media outlets and gun control proponents focus their ire on the AR-15, a relatively low-caliber rifle which has been widely sold to civilians for more than half a century, rifles are one of the least-used murder weapons in the U.S. Just as an age-based gun ban would not have had any impact on a majority of mass shooters in this country, a feature-based weapon ban that targeted rifles would also barely scratch the surface. That’s because the vast majority of murders in the U.S. are committed not with rifles like the AR-15, but with simple handguns.

According to Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) statistics, only 2.2 percent of murders in the U.S. over the last five years were committed with rifles. Shotguns were used in 2.1 percent of murders. The weapon of choice for most killers in this country is not the much-villified AR-15, but the simple handgun, which was used in more than 31,000 murders between 2012 and 2016, the most recent five years for which data are available. In fact, the FBI data show that you are more likely to be stabbed to death (11.9 percent of all murders) or killed by someone’s hands, fists, or feet (5.1 percent) than you are to be killed by any type of rifle, let alone an AR-15. Rifle bans, even if they were practical, effective, and constitutional, still wouldn’t stop the overwhelming majority of murders in the U.S.

In response to criticism of his proposals on Twitter, Douthat responded by highlighting a New York Times list of 19 recent mass shootings and noting that because rifles were used in many of them, a rifle ban would clearly make a big difference:

It's a Times list, and not school-specific, but about half of these feature semi-auto rifles. Again, just seems like there's a big gap btw what ppl use for ordinary murder (mostly handguns) and these kind of deliberate sprees.https://t.co/phyGdzCHGY

— Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) February 17, 2018

But even under those terms, the logic of his proposal fails. Why? Because contrary to his claim that “about half” of recent shootings featured semi-automatic rifles, the very list he references shows the opposite: in 11 of the 19 shootings he references, or 58 percent, a rifle was never used. Another defense offered by Douthat, that semi-automatic rifles are “almost always” used in mass shootings is similarly false. The deadliest school shooting in history was perpetrated using just two handguns, one of which had a maximum magazine capacity of just 10 rounds. Multiple incidents on the list cited by Douthat resulted in double-digit deaths using only handguns or shotguns.

Forget the 25/30 provocation for now; do you think it would be a disastrous infringement on liberty if the age for semi-autos in FL had been 21 and not 18?

— Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) February 17, 2018

In many ways, though, the data are beside the point, because what is being debated right now is not guns or gun control. Guns are just a proxy for a much larger philosophical debate about the nature of man. Can evil be regulated away if we just put certain tools under lock and key? Can murder be driven into extinction through the right mix of technocratic regulations? I think the entirety of human history overwhelmingly indicates that the answer to both questions is a resounding “No!” Evil cannot be regulated away. Men and women intent on doing vicious harm to others cannot be dissuaded by simple rules against possessing this or that piece of fabricated metal. Criminals, by definition, do not care about laws. And criminals intent on murder, the most vicious and permanent of all crimes, will not stop lusting for blood because a piece of paper somewhere says they can’t legally possess that weapon until they turn a certain age.

And that brings us to the next philosophical question that at issue in the debate over guns: if evil cannot be regulated away, do we have the right to defend ourselves and our loved ones with force, if necessary? The men who founded this country and wrote its foundational legal document clearly believed in the God-given right to self-defense, which resulted in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. If, as the Founders noted in the Declaration of Independence, we are all endowed by our Creator with an unalienable right to life and liberty, are we not also entitled to defend those very rights? A right which ceases to exist the second a criminal threatens it is no right at all, which is why tens of millions of Americans proudly keep and bear firearms to this day.

While I respect and share Douthat’s desire to find a solution to the problem of mass shootings, I simply disagree with not only his recommendations, but also their premise. The data clearly show that his proposals would do little to address his stated problem. The bigger issue, however, is one of principle. A nation cannot be made safer from criminals by restricting the God-given rights of those who respect and follow the law. My Second Amendment right to defend myself is every bit as important and vital as Douthat’s First Amendment right to publish his political opinions as he pleases without interference from the government.

Just as I would never dare suggest that the free press be limited only to those of a certain age, or that the government should set limits on how many words a journalist may publish in any given day, I wish that political pundits would refrain from trying to set limits on the constitutional rights that I and millions of my fellow countrymen believe are the only way to defend ourselves from mass murderers like the one in Parkland, Florida.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ar15; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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1 posted on 02/19/2018 7:05:59 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Bookmark.


2 posted on 02/19/2018 7:10:38 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: SeekAndFind

let’s make more laws for the insane.


3 posted on 02/19/2018 7:13:54 PM PST by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: SeekAndFind

And raise draft age to 31?


4 posted on 02/19/2018 7:15:37 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Ask a lib if Alger Hiss colluded with the Russians.)
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To: 867V309

The inmates run the asylum


5 posted on 02/19/2018 7:16:15 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Ask a lib if Alger Hiss colluded with the Russians.)
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To: SeekAndFind


6 posted on 02/19/2018 7:18:26 PM PST by Vlad The Inhaler (The only trannie I want to see is a Muncie 4 Speed M-22 Rock Crusher)
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To: SeekAndFind

conservative writer Ross Douthat
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Only if you think Mitt Romney, Yeb! Bush and John McCain are conservative.


7 posted on 02/19/2018 7:21:49 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SeekAndFind

The author needs to be placed in a insane asylum.
Stupidest proposal I’ve ever heard.
This moron cries out that he wants to be subjected to totalitarian rule.


8 posted on 02/19/2018 7:22:27 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code amd only practiced by warriors.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals believe human nature is perfectible. Conservatives believe human nature is flawed.

Therein lies the difference in their attitudes to the role government should have in dealing with it.

Liberals think government can create the ideal citizen through moral exhortation underpinned by laws. Conservatives hold people need to be deterred from their worse selves by giving people the right to protect themselves.

The debate over the 2nd Amendment and gun control is a surrogate for these opposing views of human nature.


9 posted on 02/19/2018 7:22:53 PM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Forever))
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To: SeekAndFind
Voting age is also adjusted.

18-20 olds only vote in city/county elections.

21-24 state elections and all prior

25-29 US House Rep only and prior.

30-34 US senate plus all prior.

35 and over any election.

10 posted on 02/19/2018 7:22:57 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: SeekAndFind

Double unconstitutional. Flagrantly would violate 2d and 5/14th amendment rights of American citizens. (Insane, too, doesn’t even address the causes of the incidrnts. Besides, who would comply? One percent maybe? These proposals are a giant waste of time imho.


11 posted on 02/19/2018 7:24:51 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not limit all gun purchases to the 65+ age group because they commit hardly any gun homicides?


12 posted on 02/19/2018 7:28:10 PM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: a fool in paradise

Raise the voting age to 31 also...


13 posted on 02/19/2018 7:28:39 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: SeekAndFind

I think that every instance proves that if someone has intent to do evil, if possible, they find a way to do the evil.


14 posted on 02/19/2018 7:28:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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> Liberals believe human nature is perfectible.

Liberals believe thier own human nature is perfect.

Fixed it for you !

15 posted on 02/19/2018 7:36:28 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not willing to make any change to any law, or implement any new law, or sacrifice any freedom at all because schools refuse to protect their students.

Sorry, nope.

I’m all out of give a damn.


16 posted on 02/19/2018 7:38:36 PM PST by chris37 (Take a week off racist >;-)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t cede a single inch to these filthy blood dancing scum.


17 posted on 02/19/2018 7:41:08 PM PST by The Toll
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To: SeekAndFind

Denying liberals and democrats gun ownership would end 95% of gun violence. Let’s start there.


18 posted on 02/19/2018 7:52:25 PM PST by Noamie
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To: a fool in paradise

Actually, I believe that most people are hormone-driven idiots until they are about 50, and then generally fall into noticeable decline (even if it’s only noticeable by them) somewhere in their 60’s. So, maybe we should have a 50-65 age window for gun ownership.

Also, I like Chris Rock’s idea for a $4000 tax on each bullet. If they were expensive, people would make them count!

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19 posted on 02/19/2018 7:57:44 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day")
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To: SeekAndFind

Just a simple question...

If guns cause mass killings...

Did Facebook cause Russian trolling?

Just askin’


20 posted on 02/19/2018 8:16:09 PM PST by USMC79to83
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