SCHOOL SHOOTINGS: WHY ARE WE NOT HEARING FROM MILITARY EXPERTS?

vanity | 2/16/18 | jobim

[jobim]

All government mandated gun free zones should have metal detectors and armed guards at all entrances. “Gun free” and “fortified entrances” need to go hand in glove. You can’t have the one without the other.

Yes, this is one of the components, but requires money. A private school deals with decisions such as these easily, but school districts very slowly.

[mulligan]

Why would you call in experts? That would be too simple.

[robroys woman]

Yes, this is one of the components, but requires money. A private school deals with decisions such as these easily, but school districts very slowly.

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Perhaps if we hold them responsible for the deaths related to disarming the people without reasonably protecting their safety, they could speed things up a bit.

[jobim]

As with rape, measures are taught to women to protect themselves. But from all situations? of course not, but to the extent possible. Same with school protection. I would argue that no plan is in place to actually prevent and defend, nothing serious, at any rate, except perhaps among elite schools.

[jmacusa]

Programmed assassins.

[shanover]

I agree. A "military solution" is ludicrous.

The school, local police and FBI knew and did NOTHING. Start there in this case.

[jobim]

Some of your suggestions:

* metal detectors and armed guards
* background checks on ALL teachers and ALL staff as are required to purchase a firearm.
* require ALL teachers and ALL staff to take an annual firearm safety class. Emphasis should be placed on how to clear and make safe any weapon.
* change state and federal laws regarding possession of firearms on school property to allow exceptions for CCW holders and prohibit school districts from imposing restrictions on those teachers and staff members who hold a CCW from carrying.
* dogs
* hardening the targets
* physical barriers
* using undercover random ‘school marshals’ like air marshals for schools would add to deterrent effect

A PLAN, to me, would entail the following:

LOCATION
* how many access points * causes of concern re: people, establishments in the vicinity

LIST
trouble from potential problem individuals to be alert for:
*former students
*former employees
*current domestic problems of students/staff
PERSONNEL (pool of defense team)
*staff & teachers
*parents
*retired members of community
*off-duty/retired cops & military

COMMUNICATION
* all personnel connected with cell, maybe walkie talkie * audio & visual alarm/alert devices for team members * command central volunteers connected to all team members as well as police, civil defense, fire/ER
FIREPOWER
* those designated for armed response

Plans need to be made at the LOCAL level immediately. Schools must simply begin, meet, take steps, do what can be done today without money. Anything is better than nothing. And this plan, utilizing outsiders, with inmput from those trained in such matters, will tip the balance toward AGGRESSIVE PLANNED COORDINATED DEFENSE, and away from student drills that are meaningless, laughable.

But these schools are in our communities, these are our children and teachers and staffers. Don't we take steps for our own families with the resources and knowledge we have? Why cannot we do this with our communities?

[robroys woman]

For me, this is really pretty simple. It is a local rather than federal issue. Secondly, as my wife and I have said for 20 years, if we had kids today we would home school them. Period.

But for those with children still in school, the solution is pretty simple:

1. Allow staff to carry guns on campus.
2. Allow any parent, etc. with a CCW to carry on campus.
3. Keep a close eye on kids without a father in the home.
4. Keep a close eye on kids who are on prescription drugs that alter their mental state.

Problem almost completely solved.

[IC Ken]

Yeah of course we can make public schools safer. But to the media that isn’t important. Their issue is GUNS. They hate American Freedom.

[jobim]

1. Allow staff to carry guns on campus.
2. Allow any parent, etc. with a CCW to carry on campus.
3. Keep a close eye on kids without a father in the home.
4. Keep a close eye on kids who are on prescription drugs that alter their mental state.
Problem almost completely solved.

Being a LOCAL issue, gun laws are in variance. Here in Hawaii no CCW. Period. So we have to work with the laws we have, all the while seeking to change those laws, but not letting them stop planning. KEEP AN EYE is I suppose what I am largely referring to. But whose eyes? That is why I propose a team drawn from the school, the community, and from LE & military.

This kid walked into school. Armed teachers might have taken him out immediately, or he might have killed many before they got there. KEEP AN EYE posted around the perimeter would have been the first line of defense.

[robroys woman]

Yep.

[jobim]

To hell with the media. They can’t interfere with planning.

[Salvavida]

That’s a large bill that fails to address the problem. But Ill give you credit, it’s certainly the American approach.

[Dr. Pritchett]

I love the local approach to this. Everything Jobim wrote can be addressed locally. If they can’t afford it, maybe they can’t afford to have a school there.

[jobim]

I think your point is that kids with mental/psychological problems are the problem?

That is another aspect, and should not be ignored. But if they present a danger, why is securing the school from them failing to address the problem? Isn't it a component? Is it failsafe? What is?

[Salvavida]

Yim for a multi-faceted approach at the state and local levels. A school can be secured at great cost, but mental issues, which I believe are largely spiritual issues, need to be addressed.

Those kids were slaughtered because one kid was envious of what they had, and he didn’t: validation.

This first recorded murder in Genesis 4 underscores this. How do we validate kids coming from shit sandwich circumstances? That is a trick question by the way.

[Redwood71]

You have two major problems with implementing this:

1. This isn’t about child safety. This is about taking the weapons away from the people. This is an attack on the second amendment. The libs have displayed their disregard for doing this right by lying about the number of school shootings and what they encompassed. It is nothing but using the media as a tool to accomplish the destruction of the second amendment they can’t get by a vote of congress as they just don’t have the numbers.

2. A vast majority of teachers coming out of liberal taught schools have been brainwashed until they will refuse to pick up a weapon. Their moral and intellectual level, as they see it, won’t think it is the answer whether it is or not. You won’t get a teacher or the approval of the unions to partake in this exercise and you won’t find enough conservative teachers and union busting teachers to replace those that will go on strike against it. And every liberal source of funding will feed it so the teachers will probably make more than if they were working.

So any plan short of taking guns away, will be doomed from the start. That is the whole intent. And that’s why they have done nothing to protect the kids already. No armed teachers, no armed guards, no medal detectors, and they are not talking to each other pointing out possible problems already that they know exist. They don’t want to protect the kids. They want to take away guns.

rwood

[jobim]

Of course this is the gameplan of the Left. But because it is, do we, in our communities, at our local schools, use this as an excuse to do nothing? Do you think there is support among families to improve safety & vigilance? Forget the macro view and concentrate on the micro, I say.

And what I sketched out left the guns in the hands of designated individuals. The rest are eyes & ears, connected, operating under particular guidelines to that school and its locale.

To get bogged down in laments about the Left's attack on our basic institutions is to render us impotent, as we have been and will continue to be.

[Conservative4Life]

Being a former School Resource Officer that has actually had threats on my schools and responded to a school shooting in a neighboring jurisdiction. I can say that there are a few that speak up. Most notably is a friend of mine Lt Col Dave Grossman (ret) who goes around the country speaking on just these things, he also provides solutions which most school boards deem “unneccesaey expense items” some of which include security glass, armed personnel in the school, secondary escape routes, safe rooms and much more. Several states now have Juvenile Officers Associations that coordinate for active shooter training and drills to help combat the issue.
When I grew up, we had a gun range under our gym and an outdoor range. Everyone carried either rifle, shotgun of bow. Some even had handguns. We never had an issue. We did had a fire that burned my school down in the early 70’s, but that why we have so many fire drills. We need more active shooter drills and training for staff and students.

[Redwood71]

“Left’s attack”

If you can figure out a way to get them to do what you are listing, you’re better than any conservative over the last 90 years. They haven’t done a damn thing to work with us since FDR.

I am not bogging anything. I’m telling you what in my mind, and historical observation, is going to happen. They are going to fight anything that “could possibly” prompt improvement in the situation that is not absolute gun control.

They have been breeding youth over the last 50 years for the purpose of voting in that type of action any way they can. The founders were incredibly astute to recognize the need for an armed militia and it has been a positive assistance to this country over all these years and getting it into an amendment that takes a little more then a wave of the hand to get rid of was genius.

But it is not in the plans of the other side of the aisle and they are not going to submit to any act that will slow or stop their efforts. The only two ways they might be enticed to do it is to call them out by the conservatives embarrassing them with ignoring the safety of the children; or make a deal on chain immigration and/or DACA. and in less than four years they will come back on that, if that long.

You mentioned being impotent. That statement falls right into the thought that guns kill people when people do. The bogging down is the fault of our conservative representatives for promising to do something and then not having the pelotas to do it so they can keep their job by not getting hammered in the press. It isn’t the issues that bog us, it’s the people handling them. (Or mishandling).

rwood