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Florida shooting: Teachers 'were warned' about Nikolas Cruz
BBC ^ | 2-15-18

Posted on 02/15/2018 5:34:38 AM PST by SJackson

Teachers were warned in advance about the teenager who allegedly carried out a mass shooting at his former school in Florida, US media are reporting.

Nikolas Cruz has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder following the deadliest shooting at a US school since 2012.

A teacher said Mr Cruz was not allowed on campus with a backpack.

Seventeen people were killed in the attack and many more injured. Several people are in a critical condition. Mr Cruz, 19, apparently left the scene of the shooting by blending in with fleeing students, but was arrested several miles away and is now in police custody. What was the warning?

Maths teacher Jim Gard told the Miami Herald that school authorities had emailed teachers about Mr Cruz's behaviour.

"We were told last year that he wasn't allowed on campus with a backpack on him," Mr Gard told the Miami Herald. "There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus."

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From what I gather from this and other articles, Cruz was a disturbed individual who had several suspensions and finally was expelled for multiple fights, threats to students, and bullets in his backpack. He was barred from carrying a backpack on campus before his expulsion.

To the fools who think the government can protect us from criminals, jihadists and the insane, consider we already have laws governing these things.

Articles note that he wasn't on the authorities radar screen. My guess, the mandatory reporters he encountered every day failed in their job. Fights, aka assaults, but no police involvement. A warning to teachers, but none to authorities. We have laws pertaining to those who are a threat to self or others. They end up committed to institutions. And though they may well be let out before they're no longer a threat, we have laws making it a felony to possess or attempt to purchase a firearm. Articles note he purchased the AR15 legally, that's on the authorities who knew he was a threat, but didn't take the steps required by law.

1 posted on 02/15/2018 5:34:38 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

So was the FBI.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3632241/posts

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/the-fbi-was-warned-about-a-school-shooting-threat-from?utm_term=.ekGxVPxZX#.fmeakja3g


2 posted on 02/15/2018 5:37:14 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: SJackson

>>A teacher said Mr Cruz was not allowed on campus with a backpack.

As an adult, he should not have been allowed on campus during the daytime period.

If at 19 he was still attending classes somewhere, perhaps he should have been enrolled in night school.


3 posted on 02/15/2018 5:40:19 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Ask a lib if Alger Hiss colluded with the Russians.)
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To: SJackson
Cruz was a disturbed individual ...
A) How the hell did he get a gun?
B) Why haven't I heard a single word about his parents?
4 posted on 02/15/2018 5:40:35 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SJackson

I heard that the shooter hit the fire alarm before he started shooting. If this is true, it’s a new and pretty smart tactic. You get everyone out of the school in standing groups, clear of any immediate cover, and then you mow them down.

A new thing for Law enforcement to think about.

I have an iron clad solution to this whole school shooting thing: Abolish public schools. They are no longer needed for education thanks to all the online curriculum and other methods for learning that are available.

Their only pressing need, and the real reason most would abhor this solution is that they are necessary for day care, now that both parents HAVE TO WORK just to make ends meet. And that is actually part of the problem here.


5 posted on 02/15/2018 5:41:23 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: SJackson

My cousin’s son went to MSD until they moved back to New Jersey earlier this year. When he heard about the shooting, he told her exactly who did it, literally within a minute. If a kid who used to go to that go school and now lives a thousand miles away could finger this kid, why was nothing done?


6 posted on 02/15/2018 5:42:50 AM PST by TallahasseeConservative ( Isaiah 40:31)
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To: SJackson

No back pack allowed

Guitar case with a rifle was ok however.


7 posted on 02/15/2018 5:44:27 AM PST by Thibodeaux (The FISA judge is corrupt)
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To: oh8eleven
Why haven't I heard a single word about his parents?

Excellent question - maybe his parents lawyered up yesterday afternoon? That area of SE FL is a pretty nice area ...

8 posted on 02/15/2018 5:46:05 AM PST by Ken522
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To: SJackson
Fine. The teachers were "warned".

But, since the teachers were not armed and since teachers are no longer allowed to pick up delinquent drop-out former students by the scruffs of their necks and physically remove them from school property, what were the teachers supposed to do?

After all, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

The bottom line is, teachers in "Drug Free School Zones" have been rendered every bit as helpless as their students.

9 posted on 02/15/2018 5:46:24 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: SJackson

Warned?

Either he is a danger and teachers should be armed, or not.


10 posted on 02/15/2018 5:47:03 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SJackson

Sloppy, careless management. It cost a bunch of lives. Another example of academia being run by weak liberals.


11 posted on 02/15/2018 5:47:56 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: robroys woman

Agree - schools are what have failed, the NEA is so liberal, send education back to the states and communities


12 posted on 02/15/2018 5:48:34 AM PST by nevermorelenore ( I miss Reagan i)
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Most of the articles have reported that his adoptive mother died last October; and that he had been living with the family of one of his friends.

No mention of a father, though.


13 posted on 02/15/2018 5:48:46 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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Horrible crimes like this require calm, deliberation. A complete analysis is needed to find all facts and identify ways to enhance security. With that, we might find laws that were never enforced where they should have been, which could have prevented tragedy.

Unfortunately, because the left is a bunch of cynical commie @ssholes, in every case, we never get past their screaming about taking everybody’s guns.


14 posted on 02/15/2018 5:49:13 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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What good does it do to warn teachers of anything? They aren’t armed. Most aren’t trained in self-defense. They have one job and avoiding whackos with guns isn’t it... especially trueif you aren’t going to allow them or anyone but a single school resource officer to have the tools necessary to combat a shooter. It’s like issuing a tornado warning to a pasture full of sheep.

This is on law enforcement with some on the school district as well (added security could have helped). Near as I can tell from afar, all the signs were there.


15 posted on 02/15/2018 5:49:29 AM PST by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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A) How the hell did he get a gun? B) Why haven't I heard a single word about his parents

Parents both died in the last few years, forgot who he was living with. No bar to his purchasing a firearm since apparently the authorities weren't notified of his violent, threatening behavior. Or if they were, they did nothing. Laws don't work if those administering them don't or can't. Obviously he was a danger. The liberal solution, let's pass more laws. Don't hold those responsible for what is essentially a law enforcement failure responsible.

16 posted on 02/15/2018 5:50:44 AM PST by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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There was a caller on one of the shows yesterday whose district called in the local cops the day after Sandy Hook to come in and make recommendations.

Unfortunately I was driving and couldn’t take notes, but a number of the suggestions were dead simple. One, was to invite the cops to do their report writing at the school, giving them a frequent and random presence there, rather than at the local Starbucks. They implemented that one the very next day.

Another was to have the SROs (School Resource Officers) keep their ARs in a readily accessible safe on the campus, rather than require them to leave them out in their cars.

Others required a bit more work, restricting entry to a single point, ability to lock down zones to isolate an assailant, and to provide video feed from their existing cameras to responding officers.


17 posted on 02/15/2018 5:50:52 AM PST by null and void (What do the democrats stand for? Not lower food stamp dependence...)
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To: nevermorelenore

And an effective solution is right under everyone’s nose: change “gun free zone” laws.

I’ve got a simple solution for that one: The requirement for a plact to be labelled gun free is for all entrances to be just like airport security. i.e. you assume everyone has a gun until it is proven they don’t.

If you don’t want that kind of security checkpoint, then don’t make it gun free. Simple, really.


18 posted on 02/15/2018 5:50:53 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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That raises a particularly relevant point.

The last time this country had a school fire with more than 15 fatalities was in 1958. That was 60 years ago.

Why do we have fire drills in schools, but no mass shooting drills?

19 posted on 02/15/2018 5:52:01 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: oh8eleven

There has been a lot of news about his adoptive parents. Read the Sun-Sentiel. They’re both dead.


20 posted on 02/15/2018 5:52:03 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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