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To: Texas Fossil

Not sure how seriously to take their numbers, but they claim 130 dead Turks from Feb 1-8.
https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava/sdf-130-turkish-soldiers-were-killed-in-afrin-in-one-week-24864

The Turkish KIA numbers are just over half as big as ours during the worst months in Iraq. But our numbers were countrywide numbers against the remnants of a 400,000-strong army. If the Turks finally withdraw without achieving their objectives*, we’ll know they were hit hard.
http://icasualties.org/

* Given the way Turkey has stopped harping on attacking Manbij, my guess is that the destruction of the pro-Assad forces attacking the Kurds has sent the Turks a message that mere words failed to convey.


14 posted on 02/11/2018 4:34:15 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Turk and FSA dead is way over 130 over the past 23 days.

SDF claims 77 dead soldiers, 129 civilians (last numbers I saw)

Un-official ANHA News compiled numbers show 669 members of the Turkish army and allied gangs were killed between January 20 – February 7.

FSA is getting hammered badly.


18 posted on 02/11/2018 4:56:43 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Zhang Fei; Texas Fossil; Extremely Extreme Extremist

Wow, Turkey is bleeding in Afrin, and just crawling in terms of advances. They are also paying a diplomatic price for this invasion.

Because Afrin is so small, and they have invested so much prestige domestically in gearing up for this invasion, I fear they might choose to double down and give heavy reinforcements a try, before accepting defeat. Hopefully diplomatic pressure can prevent that, but if not, I’d anticipate a fresh push, and maybe new tactics in the next week or two.

If they were sufficiently threatened in behind the scenes discussions, or shown significant military deterrent (like a bunch of anti-tank and anti-air missiles being provided to the Kurds), they might hunker down and dig in for a while, or even pull back to defensible positions. Maybe even declare victory and head home.

Extremely Extreme Extremist in Post #3 asked an interesting question: Israel opening up a can?

Israel came close to full war with Syria/Iran/ Hizbollah this weekend. If they wanted Kurdish support against Iranian militias, the Kurds in return would want the means to drive Turkey from Afrin (and maybe al Bab as well).

If Israel gets into Syria (which seems inevitable, given the Iranian threat), I’d expect a dramatically quicker pace of operations than the combatants there have grown used to - and some unexpected moves. Getting the Kurds to go for it against Iran would be a huge gamble for them, but it would have an element of strategic surprise.

The USA and the Saudis each might also be tempted to join in a strategic strike to remove Iran from Syria. The possibilities are endless in the Armageddon that is today’s Syria - and each of the enemies gets their own vote as well.


41 posted on 02/11/2018 7:46:59 PM PST by BeauBo
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