The Cancer Drug Market is the Future Pharma Wants for America

Townhall.com ^ | January 14, 2018 | Mytheos Holt

[AlanGreenSpam]

*** THE DRUG IS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF THE COMPANY ***

While I agree, it’s offensive to charge obscene amounts for drugs, the flawed assumption by all the presumed “conservatives” here is that “the people” somehow have a RIGHT to that drug.

You don’t realize it, but you’re using socialist arguments. Now you say you want the deep state to restrict this company’s freedom to charge what they want for their products (at gunpoint, no less).

Do you all realize that the company also has the right to cease selling their drug?

What would happen if they decided to cease to sell their drug?

And if their drug isn’t generic, they could also sue to prevent competitors from using their formula to make/sell a generic.

The company no doubt spent millions of dollars developing the drug. The company did the research for the drug.

So the drug is their PRIVATE PROPERTY. We, the people, have no “rights” to that drug at certain prices.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

They did not develop the drug. The company did not even exist when the drug was developed.

They got the right to the patient which is not the same thing and they were not the first company under Obama and Co who somehow managed to get a patient on a very old drug with limited market that they did not develop.

You are defending socialism yourself when you think that this is ok. The government should not be able to sell the patient rights to a drug.

[William Tell]

"Why a 40 year old drug is under patent is a good question. "

I don't claim to be an expert on this issue.

The patent on the drug I take ran out 18 months ago. The generic maker was already making the drug in India despite American patents.

The Indian company wanted to incorporate improvements in the formulation that had been made after the original patent and which were protected by a newer patent. They made a non-compete deal lasting six months in exchange for being licensed to use the improvements.

For reasons I don't know, the generic is not approved by the FDA for my ailment. As long as my drug insurance company covers the brand name, I don't care. I prefer to stick with what I already know and not risk some unexpected side-effects from the generic. (Surprisingly, this generic costs about 85% of the cost of the brand name.)

I think the same people who harp about high drug prices also want to levy substantial penalties and damage payments on these same companies when things don't work perfectly. An example of this is Xarelto. I think this was responsible for my bout of unexplained bleeding years ago and additional medical risk and procedures. Despite that, the drug is still on the market and helps many. It's just not for me.

In my opinion too many people just don't appreciate how great we have it and want to change what works well into what won't work much at all. I can't prove it conclusively, but I would bet that I wouldn't be alive today if one removed any one of a dozen medical developments of the last fifty years. This includes intubation equipment and procedures, cat scans, modern antibiotics, blood testing, anesthetics, cancer drugs, and genetic testing.

We're all gonna die. Some will die because there isn't time to get them medical help. Some will die because the help doesn't work. And some will die because the help they need is too expensive. This will never change. If expense were no object, there would be a fully staffed ambulance with its engine running parked outside my front door.

[familyop]

"...the company’s CEO, Robert DiCrisci..."

One of the costs of allowing foreign cultures to invade western business.

[William Tell]

"They did not develop the drug."..." They got the right to the patent which is not the same thing ..."

It most certainly is the same thing. Patent rights are private property.

Let's use Merck as an example. If every stockholder in Merck sold his stock tomorrow and new buyers were found, then the company would be owned by entirely new owners. Would that invalidate their patents? Of course not.

It's no different if Merck decides to sell some of its property to a different company, no matter how new such a company might be.

Forty years of protection for a patent is unusual. Typical might be under twenty years. That means that patients today benefit from every medical development made up until 1998. That's an incredible benefit. In twenty years, EVERYONE will benefit from most of what is available today. Why destroy a system of development with such a brilliant outcome in order to benefit the few who fall in the cracks? It doesn't make sense; it just feels good.

[familyop]

"If expense were no object, there would be a fully staffed ambulance with its engine running parked outside my front door."

If each ambulance was a hot rod station wagon with two thin, healthy, young, wide awake, drug-free former Army combat medics in white, we wouldn't need it outside our front door. Same with the hospitals and drug companies, if they were managed and staffed by real Americans instead of people so recently descended from s***hole commie/fascist countries.

Immigration has been all about money for too long. Get a degree, take all of the Yankees' money and land.

[Hot Tabasco]

True conservatism takes into account human greed and cruelty and establishment of REASONABLE LAWS AND REGULATIONS to prevent it!

Ah, finally, a new definition of "Conservatism". And what exactly are "Reasonable Laws and Regulations" and just who makes that determination......?

[ilovesarah2012]

Who exactly are these powers that be? I see stuff like this on Facebook all the time. “So and so has a cure for cancer but big pharma won’t let anyone know”.

There are cures for a lot of diseases - why just deny cancer?

[William Tell]

"If you’ve got one foot on a banana peel and the other in a grave, then they’re worth the world to you if they are what’s keeping you out of that grave."

Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no.

A relative of mine was taking OpDivo. I don't know what it cost, but it didn't help him and he stopped taking it. He couldn't tolerate the side-effects. Apparently the average overall survival benefit of this treatment is about 90 days.

I think that is a point that a lot of people miss. Most drugs are not miracle pills. They extend survival for sick people but they don't necessarily make everyone whole again. It's tragic when an eight-year-old dies from cancer. We would all be willing to make sacrifices to prevent such a tragedy.

It's also tragic when a 69-year-old Freeper dies for whatever reason. But there are limits on what society should be compelled to sacrifice to buy more days for such a person. Today if an unfortunate person is denied a benefit because a drug company charges a lot, we read all about it in detail. Tomorrow, if the government mandates certain behaviors from drug companies we may never know how many lives might be lost from such bad policies. We can certainly see how bad government policies affect places like Venezuela.

[Agamemnon]

According to FDA's standard reference for marketed products which also includes patent and exclusivity information, commonly know as the "Orange Book," there are no patents and no market exclusivities that would prevent an enterprising generic manufacturer from identifying a suitable FDA-compliant manufacturer for the active lomustine ingredient, formulating it into the same kind of dosage form as is the currently marketed product (the "Reference Standard" drug), performing a bioequivalence study as specified by FDA against that Reference Standard, preparing and filing an Abbreviated New Drug Application with FDA, and obtaining FDA's approval to market.

Currently, there are two Drug Master File ("DMF") holders who have DMFs on file at FDA who make the chemical substance, and who a generic firm might approach to contractually make the substance (also known as the "API" = Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient) for the product.

Given the price this drug is commanding presently, one expects there might be such an enterprising generic firm willing to pursue their market share for this product.

For all we know, there might be such a filing at FDA going through review right now.

It would be interesting to learn why GSK got out of the business, since it was originally their product.

FReegards!

[A_perfect_lady]

Obviously, these drugs are worth only what one is willing to pay for it. If you’ve got one foot on a banana peel and the other in a grave, then they’re worth the world to you if they are what’s keeping you out of that grave.

I'll probably get grief for saying this, but if my choices are to spend every penny I have for medicine, or die, I'll die and leave my money to someone young and healthy who can enjoy it.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Why do you that no marijuana is still a class one drug and they try to suppress medical marijuana which is currently in Cavinoid oil form curing cancer?

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

It most certainly is the same thing.

No.

Patent rights are private property.

Yes and no.

When you have developed a drug you receive a patent on it. This allows you to make the drug exclusively for a certain amount of time. The key here is A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

A patent is not forever.

This drug was not under patent and then suddenly the US government decided to award the patent to a company who had nothing to do with the drug.

Sorry, but that is not the way it works.

You are correct that 40 years of protection is unusual. In fact it does not exist. Except for some reason for a few years under Obama these orphan drugs were somehow placed back under patent and awarded to companies that had nothing to do with them.

That is not capitalism.

[Agamemnon]

This drug was not under patent and then suddenly the US government decided to award the patent to a company who had nothing to do with the drug.

Your statement is completely false.

Except for some reason for a few years under Obama these orphan drugs were somehow placed back under patent and awarded to companies that had nothing to do with them.

I don't like Obama any more than anyone else does on this board, but again your statement is false.

GSK decided to get out of the product or sold it off for their own business reasons. A small company picked up the asset where no competition is currently present. They have a window of market uniqueness because there is not competition -- not that a patent is standing on the way of anything.

A generic firm or firms may choose or may have already chosen to file a generic version of this drug with FDA in search of marketing approval.

It is entirely a business decision for a generic firm to file a product with FDA to enter this market, but FDA is not standing in the way of anything here either. In fact it is FDA's policy to put generic approvals on a prioritized review track for an eligible drug product like this one is when there are fewer than 3 generics on the market. Once generic entrants are approved the price for the med will collapse almost overnight.

You need to research things more thoroughly before you post.

FReegards!

[amihow]

The Government composed of true conservatives duly elected by the People makes said determination.

Are you familiar with the history of trust busting laws and why they were passed?

Think good to familiarize your self if not. Do not think you want to be at mercy of a corporation like the one in the article.

[IrishBrigade]

‘The powers that be want no cure for cancer.’

this truth cannot be stated too baldly; way too much money would be lost...

[IrishBrigade]

‘Why a 40 year old drug is under patent is a good question.’

seems like there’s something more to this whole story...a drug on the market cannot under normal circumstances be price protected by patent...

[IrishBrigade]

‘why just deny cancer?’

have you had experience that shows first hand how lucrative treatment of cancers is...especially in this country?

Curing would obviate the treatment, and a lot of medical people would be out of jobs...

[ilovesarah2012]

What about other countries? No one in the world wants to cure cancer?

[IrishBrigade]

‘a drug on the market cannot under normal circumstances be price protected by patent...’

and this is why IrishBrigade needs to proofread his statements...he (I) meant to add ‘for a period of forty years...’