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Posted on 12/29/2017 5:08:13 AM PST by davikkm
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives is currently accepting public comment on their plans for backdoor bump stock gun control. On December 22 Breitbart News reported a Department of Justice announcement that the ATF would be seeking to redefine the term “machinegun,” so as to include aftermarket devices that do not convert semiautomatic firearms into fully automatic weapons. As of now, only mechanisms/alterations that truly convert a semi-action into a full-action are governed by the National Firearms Act (1934). The efforts to redefine the term “machinegun” center on new controls for devices that merely “mimic” full auto fire.
The pertinent portion of the DOJ’s announcement:
Those engaged in the business of manufacturing, importing, or dealing in NFA firearms must be registered with the Attorney General. 26 U.S.C. 5801, 5802. When the NFA was enacted in 1934, only a handful of firearms qualified as machineguns, such as the Thompson submachine gun. Over time, however, as firearms technologies have advanced, manufacturers and the public have attempted to develop firearms, triggers, and other devices that permit shooters to use semiautomatic rifles to replicate automatic fire without converting these rifles into “machineguns” within the meaning of the statute. Consequently, questions have arisen about whether these types of devices should be classified as machineguns (or machinegun conversion devices) pursuant to section 5845(b). See, e.g., Internal Revenue Ruling 55-528 (1955) (considering whether types of “Gatling Guns” constitute machineguns); ATF Ruling 2006-2 (examining a firearms accessory device that, when activated by a single pull of the trigger, initiated an automatic firing cycle that continued until release).
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The uni-party are right behind the ATF in removing our 2nd amendment rights. We need to be careful of the hidden lines in any bill coming out of Congress.
I’d say they were back door data-basing.
I do not see much use in bump stock devices, where even in the hands of criminals they are less effective than aimed fire, but their utility or lack thereof is irrelevant. The letter of the law matters. Under the law, as written, a machinegun is a weapon that fires more than once for each operation of the trigger. A bump stock is thus not a machinegun. End of debate.
Correct.
The Saudis were behind Las Vegas.
It’s a cover-up.
Of course not
Clintonion Parsing:
“...ATF would be seeking to redefine the term “machinegun,” so as to include aftermarket
devices that do not convert semiautomatic firearms into fully automatic weapons.”
Back door is not something decent people talk about.
An autosear is not a machine gun, either, but it is regulated as if it were. Bump fire stocks with spring assisted return are regulated as machine guns. Up to now, bump fire stocks without spring assist were not regulated, because it is up to the shooter to provide the return pressure.
Also under consideration for reclassification are the binary trigger systems that fire once when pulled, then fire again when released.
Personally, the entire NFA needs to be repealed, and law a iding citizens should be able to own suppressors, short barreled rifles, and fully automatic weapons, as the Second Amendment states.
this has the stench of deep state bureaucrats looking to bypass the legislative process and override the constitution and voters as a whole.
Problem is post-’86 machineguns are flatly illegal, so any bump stocks would be retroactively banned without grace period or grandfather exception, subject then to legal attack as bill of attainer - bringing the 922(o) ban into question, and quite possibly legalizing machineguns.
Go ahead, a rubber band works way better and is alot cheaper
First, there have been alot of them sold, and they ARE NOT A MACHINEGUN....
...so....
1) Open up a 3 year amnesty for all NFA items...after all we have to get them on the record, right?
2) 2nd repeal 922(o) so we can spur mfg in the US and not rely on German/Belgian firearms technology
3) since you democrats and RINOs like taxes, RAISE the tax on NFA items....$1000.00 per transfer, $200.00 per AOW... $2000.00 per DD transfer, but you have to let your DoD contracts allow civilian purchases of grenades, mines, AT4s, Javelin's, etc. Total amnesty for RPGs brought home from the sandbox....after you pay transfer tax.
4) finally, remove SBS, SBR, and Suppressors from NFA.
Then we can talk a deal.
They are legal and should remain as such - banning them solves no problems that can’t be put in place with the use of the cords used to help one keep hitting the trigger before bumpstocks. My personal view is they are all just ways to waste ammo and only useful in cases like Vegas where a bad guy wants to kill a lot and they are massed up so accuracy has no relevance.
To the extent that ATF pretends that anything that only fires once for each mechanical operation of the trigger is a machinegun, they are out of line. Even the binary trigger can reasonably be interpreted as firing only once for each operation of the trigger - once when operating normally, and once when operating back to its rest position. To expand their mandate legally, they need to go back to Congress and request authorization for further violations of out God-given rights and of the Second Amendment.
Personally, the entire NFA needs to be repealed, and law a iding citizens should be able to own suppressors, short barreled rifles, and fully automatic weapons, as the Second Amendment states.
I agree 100%, and I wish our spineless Congress would act immediately in that respect. I'm not optimistic though.
Internal Revenue Ruling 55-528 (1955) found that Gatling Guns are NOT machine guns.
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True. But beyond any "law", under the Constitution there are no restrictions on our right to bear arms. It amazes me how congress and other people who go to law school and study logic can miss that obvious fact.
The founding fathers saw no need for angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin nuance about what our rights are. If anything, a proper reading of the Constitution indicates that infantry weapons are what the founders have in mind when they speak of arms.
Our Second Amendment rights have been so blatantly trampled upon that its doubtful that anything short of a cataclysmic "Restoration" will improve the situation.
“The founding fathers saw no need for angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin nuance about what our rights are.”...........
Amazing how much smarter the founding fathers were versus the wannabe law makers of today who claim to be so “well educated”. Second guessing the intent of the founding fathers is way over the head of today’s losers.
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