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This is more than religious liberty and speech. It is about the fundamental right to use your time and resources as you choose without coercion. It is about being ale to do with choose and avoiding those that you choose not to deal with. Nobody should be forced to associate with parties they would rather not. No matter how unreasonable or repugnant others may find it.
1 posted on 12/16/2017 7:45:33 AM PST by all the best
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The state is forcing someone to participate in someone's wedding?

Even invited guests have the option to refuse to participate.

Nothing at all to do with Religion or orientation.

2 posted on 12/16/2017 7:50:31 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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it’s called “freedom”


3 posted on 12/16/2017 8:08:49 AM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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Thank you for posting this article.
Of all the articles I have read here, this one was the most clearly stated and cogently presented without the hyperbole and bombast.
Thanks, again.


4 posted on 12/16/2017 8:22:02 AM PST by burroak
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Someone walks in and says you are going to bake their cake. Sounds sorta Harvey Weinstein like.


5 posted on 12/16/2017 8:24:07 AM PST by taterjay
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‘It is about being ale to do with choose’

I prefer beer with cheese...


6 posted on 12/16/2017 8:30:16 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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The issue isn't the cake. The baker has said he will sell them any cake they want that they sell to other people.

What the baker doesn't want to do is to write a message on the cake for a gay wedding. And the plaintiffs believe they should be able to compel him to write a message of their choosing.

That's obscene - I wouldn't be in favor of forcing Muslim baker to sell me a cake that says "Jesus Saves" either.

8 posted on 12/16/2017 9:07:49 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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Some of what you write I agree with. But there is more to the story. This is primarily an attack on Christianity. The queers have had Christianity in their sick sights for 40 years. 20 years ago the queers barged into churches in San Fransicko screaming at parishioners for attention. At the same time public health was attempting to reign in the rampant spread of more diseases vectored by queers in bathhouses and smelly public bathrooms than anyone ever dreamed. Public health workers were forced to enter the bathhouses, stinking of a mixture of blood and feces, to collect samples from the leavings of these degenerates only to find many of them were carrying and spreading 3, sometimes 5, infectious agents to their coprophilic partners. Young boys, they called twinks, were often molested and infected at the same freak fest.


10 posted on 12/16/2017 9:16:32 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (MSM is our greatest threat. Disney, Comcast, Hollywood, NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, NBC, CBS...)
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And more broadly, consent is the basis for a government of the people, for the people, and by the people.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the — CONSENT — of the governed.”

—Declaration of Independence

We have reached the point at which our Government has committed “a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing... a design to [place us] under absolute Despotism” and “it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.”

We need to start asking ourselves a simple question when our government acts or fails to take action:

Did I consent to this?

I, for one, did not consent.

It would send a strong message if a million plus armed citizens visited Washington with signs that read “we did not consent.”


12 posted on 12/16/2017 10:15:06 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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Next will be a requirement that dating sites allow “transgenders” to put their profiles among the sex they “identify” as, and regular people being unable to exclude them from match searches.


13 posted on 12/16/2017 10:31:18 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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are the pro cake baking arguments based more or less on the greensboro, nc lunch counter protest arguments? (dunno)


14 posted on 12/16/2017 11:40:05 AM PST by SteveH
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