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To: Oshkalaboomboom; onona

“The system isn’t broke so there’s no need to fix it other than to make it tamper and fraud proof. “

“Excatly ! How ‘bout we let the states decide how they want to manage this Rachel”

I think if you re-read that article, you may soften your take a bit. I definitely understand those remarks, as I’ve been a popular vote opponent from way back, seeing the Electoral College as the Constitutional mandate. This is the first time I’ve doubted my thoughts on it...

The author’s point is,
1) It may soon BE broken, and both parties have been working hard to break it (to their advantage) for over 200 years.

2) This is because the framers never wanted the “winner take all” Electoral College that it has become, with only a few swing states really making a difference.

and
3) Some states, even RED ones, are determining to go proportional even now, as allowed by the Constitution, and as soon as enough of them do it, the change is made. Since the right of the states to determine how to name electors is vague in the U.S. Constitution, there is no violation here.

Take another look, this could actually turn out well, as it makes rigging things more difficult.


34 posted on 12/11/2017 10:42:28 AM PST by HeadOn (Even if your point is valid, condescension on your part can keep you opponent from seeing it...)
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To: HeadOn

” the framers never wanted the “winner take all” Electoral College that it has become,”

Can you provide any authority for this remarkable statement?


36 posted on 12/11/2017 10:45:22 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all white armed conservatives)
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To: HeadOn

I understand that we don’t want to replace our Republic with a Democracy. I get it, and I agree. But national vote for the President doesn’t make us a Democracy. That would only happen if we all voted on all of the Congressmen and Senators. How about we put the Senate selection back into the hands of the states? That would help a lot.


38 posted on 12/11/2017 10:52:48 AM PST by HeadOn (Even if your point is valid, condescension on your part can keep you opponent from seeing it...)
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To: HeadOn

Here’s the `black letter’ authority:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii
Where in Article 2 can it be shown that the framers did not want a “winner take all electoral college”?
Or what secondary authority supports that position? The Federalist Papers? Which one? A letter from one to another?

Another remarkable statement: the electoral college will be “broken” only if the Constitution is amended.
We have already experienced the damage that resulted after ignoring the “natural born citizen” requirement in the same article.
If the Democrats want to start stealing elections legally they will have to change the US Constitution first.


44 posted on 12/11/2017 11:01:57 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all white armed conservatives)
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