Violence Should Not Determine Policy

newsmax ^ | Dec 09, 2017 | Alan Dershowitz

[Oshkalaboomboom]

Violence should be responded to by police and military action, not by giving in to the unreasonable demands of those who use violence as a tactic.

The reason violence — whether rock-throwing or more lethal forms of terrorism — is used is because it works... as a way to extort concessions from the world. And it works because policy makers often make or refrain from making controversial decisions based on the fear of violent reactions.

Now just imagine what will happen if peace negotiations are commenced and both sides have to compromise. Israel's comprises will be met with law suits, political pushback and possibly resistance from some settlers who will have to be uprooted....

Palestinian compromises will be met with street violence, terrorism and assassinations. That has long been the modus operandi of Palestinian leaders and dissidents.

A clear message must be sent now to these leaders and dissenters: violence will not be rewarded or tolerated. It will be responded to not with policy changes but with police and military action.

Many who are opposed to President Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital point to the call for violence by Hamas and the scattered violence on the West Bank as evidence that Trump was wrong. But violence should never influence US policy. The leaders of Hamas and other Palestinian groups use violence as a deliberate tactic to get their way. If policy-makers allow this tactic to deter them from doing the right thing, it will only incentivize the opponents of a peaceful resolution of the conflict to threaten and employ violence every time they do not get what they want. Violence should be responded to by police and military action, not by giving in to the unreasonable demands of those who use violence as a tactic.

[Oshkalaboomboom]

Unfortunately, violence is the only language some people understand. This conflict will never be resolved peacefully and nobody has the guts to do to the Palestinians what the Palestinians would do to the Israelis in a heartbeat if they had the ability.

[aquila48]

“Violence should be responded to by police and military action, not by giving in to the unreasonable demands of those who use violence as a tactic.”

It’s unbelievable and sad that in a civilized society it is necessary to make such a statement. Maybe we’re no longer a civilized society.

[DaveA37]

“Maybe we are no longer a civilized society”.... No “maybe” about it.

“the unreasonable demands of those who use violence as a tactic.”.........

In a word, it’s called “blackmail” or “ransom”. Either way unless we cross their palm, the violence will not stop.

[aquila48]

“In a word, it’s called “blackmail” or “ransom”. Either way unless we cross their palm, the violence will not stop.”

It’s much worse than that. There have always been violent people. What’s different this time is that the very people (police, authorities) that are supposed to protect us from the violent groups (antifa, BLM, SJW) are taking their side or doing nothing!! This has been the case every time any conservative has tried to speak at a university and at Trump rallies.

It’s when the “authorities” join with or become the thugs that civil society ends.

[schurmann]

“...It’s unbelievable and sad ...Maybe we’re no longer a civilized society.”

The first duty is to survive.

Morals and “civilized” behavior can be indulged afterward.

Believing any other sequence is preferable - or possible - marks the believer as an unserious person.

[aquila48]

“The first duty is to survive.

Morals and “civilized” behavior can be indulged afterward.”

Of course. But once you achieve a modicum of civilized society that primal need of physical survival abates somewhat. You don’t have to constantly be on the lookout for your personal safety.

But it seems we are quickly losing that level of protection that a civil society provides.

[SJackson]

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[Lurker]

“You don’t have to constantly be on the lookout for your personal safety.”

Actually, you do. Condition Orange is a way of life.

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[caww]

.....” it seems we are quickly losing that level of protection that a civil society provides”.....

It seems societies level of civil protection is fading because ‘IT IS’ fast fading. As my sister and I actually discussed today and the means we have to take to be safe that we would have never thought we’d face.

You have to ‘be aware’ of your surroundings and the environment your in ‘all the time’......there are absolute insane people on the streets and drug addicts that go bonkers in every neighborhood......this is no longer just reserved for the seedy parts of a community. Added with this criminal attacks are now happening frequently in broad daylight.......criminals get away with so much today they no longer fear repercussions.

[caww]

......” Maybe we’re no longer a civilized society”.....

How can it be when we have imported masses the of third world citizens often with no understanding of our nations standards and bring with them the often violent nature of their cultures.

Furthermore the ‘attitude’ of foreigners today who come here see this country as a one stop shop,.... be it by criminal activity or simply through the many gov. programs that give outsiders an advantage over our own citizens and that goes for setting up businesses or joining the welfare programs.

In order to force Americans to comply with the Elites ideas of a World system they use relocation of foreign citizens as a means of repopulating the USA until their numbers outweigh this nations citizens.....thus by sheer of numbers alone they gain the power to push this nation where they want it to go.

[schurmann]

“...once you achieve a modicum of civilized society that primal need of physical survival abates somewhat. You don’t have to constantly be on the lookout for your personal safety. ... we are quickly losing that level of protection that a civil society provides.” [aquila48, post 6]

“Actually, you do. Condition Orange is a way of life.” [Lurker, post 8]

“... civil protection is fading ... You have to ‘be aware’ of your surroundings ... all the time ... no longer just reserved for the seedy parts ...” [caww, post 9]

Criminal attack rates are higher now, and more widespread. As Lurker pointed out, Condition Orange is never a bad idea and never has been. Mobility is easier and cheaper. Certainly, situational awareness is key, but it always has been. Everywhere.

There is no time in the past when threats to the individual did not exist - no Golden Age to return to.

But I was not writing about threats at that level. I was writing of threats at the level of the entire society, or nation. They are of a different nature and countermeasures against them must be equally different - in nature, in magnitude, and in effectiveness.

[aquila48]

The point I was trying to make was that the decline in civil society is not so much related to criminals in a society (they’ve always existed) , but that the institutions and authorities that were created to protect us are now often on the side of the criminals such as BLM, SJW, antifa, and even your run of the mill thug.

In other words the “establishment” is now often siding with the criminals. No conservative speaker can go to a university and expect to be protected from organized violent thugs - the cops are told to stand down and simply watch.