Posted on 12/08/2017 10:30:14 AM PST by boycott
He had no reason to be scared from the way the victim was behaving. The guy was pleading and doing his best to cooperate.
“anecdotally, cops in my area never face consequences....ever...”
Unfortunately, it’s not an anecdote, it’s the rule. The only time cops go to jail is when they kill another cop—and that’s probably 50/50. It’s a damn shame that people are so unwilling to prosecute these bastards when it would be best for both sides. I don’t know where they get these juries, but they do incredible damage.
These few bad cops allow for the creation of groups like BLM and even cause law-abiding citizens to fear interactions with decent police.
The jury said OJ Simpson was not guilty, too.
A consistent theme I see in cases involving guns is people don’t have any experience around them. So they think a DA/SA gun is waiting to fire on its own, just from being picked up. In this case, I suspect, both the cop and the jury believe drawing a gun looks like it does in the movies.
Thus perhaps both cop and jury, having never tried drawing a gun from an in waistband holster, would think the motion the suspect made COULD arm him. I realize there are people faster than me, but concealment is a trade-off between ease of draw and ability to conceal. An LCP in my waistband is very concealed but also impossible to draw quickly. A revolver with a large grip carried in a belt holster is much easier to draw, but much tougher to hide.
I’ve settled on a compromise, carrying a revolver with a good grip in a belt holster. It doesn’t conceal very well, certainly not well enough that I would wear it out into a hallway where cops were waiting with guns drawn, but I sure can get it faster than my Ruger LCP.
Even then, drawing as quickly as I can is both slow and obvious. My cover shirt needs to be lifted, preferably with my free hand. I can do it one handed, but it slows me down. And then I need to lean away from the gun, allowing me to get a decent grip on my gun, pull it mostly vertically out of the holster, and straighten with my gun coming up.
I’ve yet to find a discrete way of pulling a gun out fast - and my fast is like a second of dedicated movement. There are many much faster, but it then is an even more explosive movement.
And I’ve never practiced it while kneeling on the floor, legs crossed. I have concluded that if I ever need to draw against someone with a gun pointed at me, they will either need to be distracted, or I am accepting I will be killed in hopes of getting one shot off against my attackers.
Open carry - like a cop - makes drawing much simpler. And faster. But even then, very few are able to do it fast enough to have any chance against a drawn gun.
Perhaps the prosecutor needed to introduce evidence (which would probably not be allowed) about what it REALLY looks like when someone draws a gun from concealment. Maybe COPS need that training too! I think cops are getting unrealistic ideas training doing “force on force” and don’t understand how hard it would be to draw against a half-dozen armed cops with their guns out, focused on the suspect.
Cops need to understand that guns don’t just appear the way they do in movies. Not a lot of Jerry Miculeks running around, and guys like those aren’t criminals.
That cop was a psycho
Well said.
I also admired your eloquence and brevity in your ‘blah, blah, blah’ response.
- Megan
Thank you.
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I agree (reaching for the waist is not a good idea), that’s why the cop should have just cuffed them while they were on the ground, instead of putting anyone in further danger.
Never heard of such commands starting with ‘crossing legs with left foot over right’.
I didn’t think the video was real the first time I saw it because I didn’t think cops carried AR-15’s. But, apparently, he was authorized to use his personal firearm. Only, he had ‘You’re F#cked’ inscribed on the weapon. That inscription is what got him fired apparently.
Some new info I found on the Leo. Connections...
1) Brailsford’s father, also named Philip Brailsford, left the Mesa Police Department last year to join a local law firm. He was a lieutenant and had worked in the department’s Internal Affairs Unit.
According to a press release from the law firm where he now works, Fennemore Craig, the elder Brailsford was a police officer for 19 years, and also served in Afghanistan as a member of the U.S. Army.
He graduated from Arizona State’s law school.
Brailsford, who had previously been accused of using inappropriate force during an arrest just weeks before the shooting, was fired by the Mesa Police Department after he was charged.
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