"Ready for the next stage of humiliation' Nigel Farage has NO HOPE for Brexit trade talks

The Express ^ | 12/8/2017 | Helen Barnett

[Nextrush]

Theresa May and Jean Claude Juncker met for pre-dawn meeting this morning to sign off on the first round of negotiations, after talks on the Irish border went on through the night.......

But ex-UKIP leader Nigel Farage, who was pivotal in the Brexit campaign tweeted: "A deal in Brussels is good news for Mrs. May as we can now move on to the next stage of humiliation."

The MEP has been calling for Theresa May to be removed as Prime Minister, fearing mutiny within the Tories is making her appear weak, and harming her negotiating strategy.

In a column for the Telegraph, Mr. Farage raged. "In the last few months, beginning with her conciliatory speech in Florence, Remain-supporting Mrs. May has increasingly given the EU elite hope. Not only is she prepared to make extraordinary and unnecessary contributions to the EU budget, she was even willing to sell out her partners, the DUP, to satisfy Dublin and Brussels.

"Most importantly of all, she would seemingly be happy for the UK to sign up to a transition deal that would almost certainly last until the next general election in 2022-six years after we vote to leave the EU".

"While Juncker and his friends like these concessions, they also appear to have calculated that if Mrs. May can hang on in Downing Street a while longer, the weaker she will be perceived to have become, increasing the likelihood of an early general election"

"In such a poll, Juncker and Co. must hope, a Labour led coaltion would be secured, thereby keeping the UK in the single market and the customs union under the utterly clueless and dangerously vain Jeremy Corbyn."

"In the face of this, the Conservative Party is obviously paralyzed with fear".......

[Nextrush]

Nigel Farage in the video embedded at the top of this story tells a radio host Theresa May has "caved" in Brussels today.

[fieldmarshaldj]

UK hasn’t had a PM with balls since Margaret Thatcher.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Theresa May did a good job.

For the EU.

[Berlin_Freeper]

You know it's bad when Boris Johnson has to hide his face from the civilized world.

Boris Johnson is going to Iran to seek freedom for woman facing extra jail time... because of him

[SkyPilot]

The actions by many in the British government are treason - because they overtly thwarting the will of the people that was settled in a democratic referendum. The Brexit vote could not have been more democratic - it was the definition of sheer democracy.

Referendums are not legally binding, but Parliament has to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act based on the vote of the people. If they don't, they are in violation of whole pillars of nation's body politic. This would be a dagger at the heart of British democracy.

What the globalists have instead decided to do is delay.....delay.....delay. Then, a crisis will occur, and they will delay again.

I don't think that Brexit will ever be fulfilled.

[SkyPilot]

correction:

they are overtly thwarting

[Berlin_Freeper]

You can't fool the money people.
It's why they have money.

Brexit: Business calls for more clarity over deal - BBC News

[Berlin_Freeper]

Not much remains of Theresa May's red lines after the Brexit deal

“In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the internal market and the customs union.”

... in perpetuity.

We now live in an age where agreements are negotiated and set on disagreements.

[Berlin_Freeper]

We now live in an age where agreements are negotiated and set on disagreements.

The Sanity Clause - A Night at the Opera - YouTube

[Berlin_Freeper]

Not much remains of Theresa May's red lines after the Brexit deal

Mr Varadkar said: "First [The Sanity Clause] of all, the Good Friday Agreement in all its parts is protected.

"Secondly [The Sanity Clause] everyone born in Northern Ireland will continue to have the right to Irish - and therefore EU - citizenship...

third [The Sanity Clause], the Common Travel Area will continue, allowing us to travel freely between Britain and Ireland.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Theresa May makes...

early morning dash to Brussels...

... Sources close to Tusk said he would be leaving early for a meeting in Hungary

[Winniesboy]

The actions by many in the British government are treason - because they overtly thwarting the will of the people that was settled in a democratic referendum. The Brexit vote could not have been more democratic - it was the definition of sheer democracy.

In what way is the people's will being thwarted? The referendum settled the people's will, by a small majority, on one question only: "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?". The only options on the ballot paper were

Remain a member of the European Union

or

Leave the European Union

That was a reductionist question and a reductionist answer. Referendums are necessarily reductionist, which is their weakness as well as their strength. The referendum did not - could not - give the people an opportunity to express any wish about the form and process of that departure. As became apparent immediately afterwards and ever since, there are a myriad interpretations, and there was a similarly large range of beliefs about what had been voted for among individual voters. Despite the efforts of some to claim otherwise, there was no vote for a 'hard Brexit' or a 'soft Brexit' or any other kind of Brexit: the only vote was for the proposition that the United Kingdom should leave the European Union. Nothing has been done which thwarts the will expressed in that vote. Article 50 has been invoked, and nothing done by the UK Government has altered the determination to leave the European Union in March 2019.

You say that the vote was 'the definition of sheer democracy'. Referendums are a device of direct democracy, and invoking them in a constitutional system based on representative democracy is inevitably messy - one reason why we have so few of them. The most successful referendums are those in which the electorate is invited to vote on a proposition which has been worked out in great detail, which is laid before them in all that detail, and to which they are invited either to assent or not. An example is the pan-Ireland referendum on the Good Friday Agreement. Unfortunately this referendum laid before the electorate a proposition which might have appeared simple but which was in fact ill-defined and vague. The current mess is a more or less inevitable result: but there has been (at least as yet) no treason and no thwarting of the people's will.

[mewzilla]

Isn’t the UK required to leave now, anyway? And by a drop dead date?

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I don't think that Brexit will ever be fulfilled.

Nor do I. I would think (hope?) that such an action to subvert the will of the people over here, on such a large issue, would result in some serious revolt.

[Winniesboy]

Yes. End of March 2019.

[SkyPilot]

A sober and and detailed analysis. Thank you for posting that. My only disagreement is that the so-called “hard” and “soft” Brexit paths are manufactured outcomes that were not part of the referendum. As I recall, the wording on the ballot simply asked whether the UK should remain a member of the EU or leave the EU. The anti-Brexit crowd lost. The referendum was (as are all referendums) are pure demonstrations of whether a majority of the public hold a certain view, or not. The sitting government must implement the election results. Otherwise, democratic legitimacy is compromised to the point that the government has gone rogue. Has the current government crossed the Rubicon? No, but if the results are delayed or thwarted, it will. We say that justice delayed is justice denied. The same holds true here.

But I thank you again for what you said. You made me think in much more specific and defined terms regarding this issue.

[Winniesboy]

You’re very welcome. I don’t usually get such a civilised response after challenging FR majority opinion!

[SkyPilot]

Well, thank you Winniesboy. After the bruising Tax Bill threads of the last few weeks, where the discussion often seemed to degenerate quickly into name calling, intimidation, ad hominems, and informal fallacies, it is refreshing to see a post such as yours. You attack an argument with structure and measured analysis.

Have a nice weekend.