Posted on 12/06/2017 6:50:22 AM PST by GonzoII
Angela Merkel may not be able to avoid a crisis after Christian Social Union leader Horst Seehofer rejected the Social Democrats’ migrant family reunification plans before coalition negotiations have even begun. The asylum seeker family reunification issue ultimately led to the collapse of the so-called “Jamaica coalition” talks late last month, when the classical liberal Free Democrats (FDP) pulled out of the negotiations.
The Social Democrats (SPD), led by former European Parliament president Martin Schulz, said that migrant family reunification would be a condition for a new “grand coalition” — but this has now been rejected by Christian Social Union (CSU) leader Horst Seehofer, Die Welt reports.
Seehofer, who recently announced he would be stepping down as Prime Minister of Bavaria but staying on as CSU leader, said family reunification “would be such a massive amount of immigration that Germany’s ability to integrate would be totally overwhelmed”.
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If you follow the whole episode following the election, it’s probably one of the worst episodes since WW II.
The SPD (getting on 22-percent) in the election...said right off the bat that they refused to participate in another coalition for four years.
So Plan A for Merkel was to form around the Green Party, and roughly six weeks later....found that it just won’t occur.
So they went back to the SPD, and it appears that it just won’t work. The expectation is either another election or run a minority government (likely to fail within two years and trigger another election anyway).
Most want to Merkel retire now, and the SPD chief (Schulz) retire as well.
A more general question about German immigration/invasion.
In the US, it is clear that the Dems want to swamp the pre-existing white population with second and third world dependents who will eventually gain citizenship and voting privileges.
Is that true in Germany? Does Merkel hope to perpetuate a voting majority, or is the policy driven more by some perverse combination of World War II and general white guilt? Are these “migrants” on a citizenship/voting path?
The CDU and CSU have effectively functioned as one party for almost the entire post WWII era. The CDU doesn’t run candidates in Bavaria and the CSU doesn’t try to expand out of Bavaria. That is one of the core realities of German politics.
The fact that the CSU is taking a separate position from the CDU on a key issue like immigration is the real headline here.
In the US, it is clear that the Dems want to swamp the pre-existing white population with second and third world dependents who will eventually gain citizenship and voting privileges.
Is that true in Germany? Does Merkel hope to perpetuate a voting majority, or is the policy driven more by some perverse combination of World War II and general white guilt? Are these “migrants” on a citizenship/voting path?
It’s a combination of self loathing war guilt and the fact that Germans aren’t making enough babies.
The convention wisdom was that the “immigrants” would take up the slack in the economy and pay into the social welfare state. But now it’s clear robots will be doing that VERY soon and there is ZERO need for more third world dirt farmers.
This shows the weakness of a parliamentary, proportional representation system. A winner take all system such as ours would force the parties to be more representative of the majority of the people and thus more centrist.
It would also naturally lead to basically a two party system and the winning “coalition” of ideas would be determined by the electorate and not by backroom dealings by politicians after the people have spoken.
In the US, it is clear that the Dems want to swamp the pre-existing white population with second and third world dependents who will eventually gain citizenship and voting privileges.
Is that true in Germany? Does Merkel hope to perpetuate a voting majority, or is the policy driven more by some perverse combination of World War II and general white guilt? Are these “migrants” on a citizenship/voting path?
That's part of the plan.
The other part that is a bit more closely held is that the invasions of both Europe and the United States are being funded by foreign interests like the Saudis and others paying huge bribes to domestic politicians to screw their own people using mass migration as a weapon.
The Saudi shake up is intended to shut down the Saudi component of this funding and it is already having some effect .
There are three parts to this question (why Germany is on this path of open immigration):
1. Some economical and business experts look at the population downward spiral (birthrate of 1.5 per couple) and they can accurately forecast (I’ve seen three different groups figure the numbers) that the present 82-million will slide to 68-million (more or less) by 2030. It is true that this population trend has been around since 1960s and nothing has convinced German women to shift. The economy experts think that German industry and services by 2030 won’t have the manpower to run the German machine. On this note, automation is coming and I have doubts that you really need to worry about part of this problem. If you go and look for German TV production....it all shifted in the past two decades to Asia.
2. A lot of Germans are drowning in WW II guilt. From the working class Germans....very few. It’s mostly the intellectual or university crowd suffering with the guilt stuff. So they think, in their small world....if they just help these war-time migrants...it’ll give them a warm feeling (well, as warm as a German can get). The problem with this sentiment is that the war-affected crowd was Iraqi and Syrian...NOT all of these north African countries, and twenty other non-war countries in the world. So they got a wider mix of people. You can ask ten working class Germans on their guilt feeling, and probably nine of them will just start laughing because they have virtually no guilt feeling. The war is over, and people have lives to live.
3. So I come to this odd aspect. In 2013, as the smuggling trail developed, and maybe 25,000 came in that first wave....it does not appear that the Berlin leadership (federal level) grasped this. In 2014, with 450,000....the federal level barely took notice. In 2015, with roughly one-million...the federal level took notice but acted like kids in a candy factory. The federal side more or less dumped the responsibility of handling the incoming folks onto the 16 German states, and hundreds of cities. There was no national policy, and no national standard. I can vouch that there was no real solid process or management to this entire game. You had thousands of folks show up and attempt to register in different states....each getting paid in the two or three different states. It took the Germans two years to realize that game. You had thousands show up with fake kids (they borrowed from some relative), and tried to claim family status (to be paid more and to get private quarters), and it took the Germans two years to realize that gimmick. If you asked about consequences from any of the Berlin leadership (it’s not just Merkel, it’s the level of character from the federal level, most of the six parties)...they really have no concept of consequences.
I will add this footnote on crime aspect. Crime was already inching up a decade prior to the wave period (2013 to now). You have various mafias now developed...Russian, Serbian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Romanian, etc. Each specialize in certain regions. The German cops? In the 1990s...various states trimmed back their police numbers, and only came to realize their mistake last year. They will hire 10,000 new and extra cops over the next three years, but they are behind the problem. Adding to this....the level of sophistication now is shocking. The current cops are trying to advance but it’ll take a decade of new cops and better technology to stop the crime wave.
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