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To: Kickass Conservative

The Second Amendment meant the Citizens of this Country could keep and bear Military Arms, period.


I agree.

But they didn’t say you could carry it in public for all to see. I have to admit that I never really thought about it from that perspective before, but they do have a point. You can carry, they can’t infringe that right. But if they say you can’t carry outside your clothing, they are not infringing that right since you can still carry. The right is not infringed. If they had said, “the right to carry where everybody can clearly see the weapon shall not be infringed”, I’d feel differently.

That being said, I think that a person who carries and has no way, at the time, to conceal the weapon would have a constitutional case because the unconstitutional law would be infringing his right to carry at all.


20 posted on 11/27/2017 9:38:15 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: robroys woman

In CA and some other states, where CCW is “may issue” as opposed to “shall issue”, if the state or county decides not to issue, then without open carry, they have infringed. So the argument that open carry is not protected might be defendable in a “shall issue” CCW state, but not in a “may issue” state, and definitely not in a “no issue” state.


23 posted on 11/27/2017 9:45:03 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: robroys woman

It doesn’t say how you should carry at all. The court is just making up their own little rule...for their state...but the Bill of Rights is Federal and pertains to all states and EVERY person.


41 posted on 11/27/2017 10:02:10 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: robroys woman
Once they get Open Carry out of the way, their next Target is Concealed Carry.

Once they get Concealed Carry out of the way, their next target is Gun Registration.

Once they get Gun Registration out of the way, their next target is Gun Ownership.

Incremental-ism is the tool of Liberal Tyranny. They have always been very patient in achieving their goals. They have taken over every Institution in America, the Courts, the Education System, the Entertainment Industry and the News Media. The Congress is infested with Liberals from both Political Parties who have rendered the United States Constitution null and void when they approve Legislation. When you think of Liberalism, remember this passage from the Movie The Terminator. "It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with...it doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear...and it absolutely will not stop. Ever."

44 posted on 11/27/2017 10:06:55 AM PST by Kickass Conservative ( Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: robroys woman
You can carry, they can’t infringe that right. But if they say you can’t carry outside your clothing, they are not infringing that right since you can still carry. The right is not infringed.

Tell that to New Jersey and a plethora of other states who require that you beg their permission to even purchase, let alone carry a firearm. Since the permission may be denied (and carry almost always is denied here), it is a clear infringement.

45 posted on 11/27/2017 10:07:04 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: robroys woman

The military arms of the period were muskets and swords, neither of which can be concealed.


58 posted on 11/27/2017 10:23:52 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D. - What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: robroys woman
"But if they say you can’t carry outside your clothing, they are not infringing that right since you can still carry.

Exactly HOW are you going to "concealed carry" a long gun?? ANY long gun.

67 posted on 11/27/2017 10:34:37 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: robroys woman

In the founding fathers time, and long after, carrying open was taken for granted. Here is the Colorado state constitution on gun rights. I used this as an example but several states have basically the same provision:

Colorado: The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons. Art. II, § 13 (enacted 1876, art. II, § 13).

They did not like concealed weapons. You said, “But they didn’t say you could carry it in public for all to see”. No, they essentially said you had to carry it in public for all to see.


82 posted on 11/27/2017 11:25:46 AM PST by suthener
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To: robroys woman
The right is not infringed

What? Seriously? If you have a right to bear arms, ANY restriction on how you carry is an infringement.

115 posted on 11/28/2017 4:38:24 AM PST by savedbygrace
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