Posted on 11/19/2017 12:50:03 AM PST by NorseViking
WARSAW (Reuters) - Ukraine has summoned the Polish ambassador in Kiev after Poland denied entry to a Ukrainian official in an escalation of a diplomatic spat over the two neighbours’ troubled past.
Poland’s decision to refused entry on Saturday to the head of Ukraine’s commemoration commission, Svyatoslav Sheremet, was in response to a ban imposed earlier this year by Kiev on the exhumation of Poles killed in Ukraine during World War Two, Polish state news agency PAP reported.
“The Ukrainian side has complained that Mr Sheremet was not allowed into Poland,” Poland’s ambassador to Kiev Jan Pieklo told PAP after the meeting with Ukrainian authorities.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
“troubled past” hardly described the animosity between the two nations.
My grandmother was a Ukie and hoo boy, did she *HATE* Poles.
What were her grievances?
I’m not sure but she grew up in the old country. Can’t ask her now anyways.
What I recall hearing was that the Polish Army would conscript Ukrainian men and put them on the front lines in combat to be killed. But I’m sure it was more than that.
My grandfather emigrated to avoid that.
Glad to hear they made out safe. As for conscription and front lines do you believe Ukies prefer and has to stay at the rear all time? Who do you believe must be on the front lines for them?
Poles and Ukrainians have been rivals and enemies for centuries. After a relatively peaceful period in the 1920s and 1930s the world war initiated new horrors on an unprecedented scale in that geographical area - between Russia and Germany. I did not know that much about it until sometime in the mid 70s I read the most horrific book “Hell’s Mouth” a memoir by a Ukrainian count. Horrifying but a must read for anyone interested in the history of these troubled lands:
https://www.amazon.com/Hells-Mouth-Confessions-Count-Nepomuk/dp/0432104003
Oh dear! What do I do? My mother’s ancestors were Poles and my father’s ancestors were Ukrainian.
A possible source of the animosity may be religious - Catholic Poland and Orthodox Ukraine.
Remember that 100 years ago Lemburg belonged to the Austrian Empire. Then after WWI it became Lvov, part of Poland.
Then after WWII it became part of the USSR. Then after communism fell, it became Lviv, part of the independent Ukraine.
Populations in the area where shifted around each time.
And that’s only the last 100 years.. .
For the POLISH army, I don’t blame the Ukies for not wanting to be on the front lines.
It was not their country and they didn’t like the Poles anyways. They figured, why should they die for them?
My grandmother (the Ukie) wouldn’t even talk to my mother (the Pole) until AFTER my parents got married.
Ever see the movie Taras Bulba?
The partition of the region known as “Ukraine” is inevitable, and Poland is going to play a role in this.
Ukraine (large parts of what is now Ukraine) once came under Polish rule, before Poland lost parts of it’s kingdoms in later conflicts.
The peoples of Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine have some relatives who came from one of the other two, some relations who after wars were made citizens of one of the other two, and some current fellow citizens that now work in one of the other two.
There history, if current folks want to keep it alive, has a lot of pain, animosity, feeling of loss, feeling of betrayal amid many common relations spread among them.
It would be great for all three (as it would for Korea and Japan) to put the past to bed and build on where they are now.
My grandparents, one from the failed Austro-Hungarian Empire and one Russian, both Russian Orthodox, left a farm village near Lvov in the early 1900s. They detested the Poles and left because the Poles were about to cross the mountains and take over their area.
What you just said was probably a reason why be relative disliked pollocks. That waa an insult to all get if she believes ukes should always be in the rear and asking who must be on the front line.
I would say whoever chooses a war should be up front, not poor schlubs from another country.
Technically it would make sense to attach West-leaning parts to Poland and the Southeast to Russia.
On the other hand as evident from the article and this discussion Polish and West Ukrainians can’t really get along to make it viable. Also, considering the state of Ukrainian infrastructure and human conditions the price tag of bringing it up to standard would be prohibitive to both Poland and Russia.
And that’s the area (Lviv Oblast) that my fraternal ancestors came from. If the border between Poland and Ukraine had been drawn further east then it would be part of Poland. Stalin and Khrushchev drew the boundaries to make much of eastern Poland part of the Soviet Union.
In that part of the world, in order to know what country you are in, you first need to know what century you are in.
What was the village? My grandparents came from Turka.
There was the 1918-1921 war where Poland saved Western Europe from the Communists. (Continued until 1923 in Lituania).
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.