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The Trump administration says we have to kill elephants to help save them. The data says otherwise.
MSN / Washington Post ^ | November 17, 2017

Posted on 11/17/2017 3:14:54 PM PST by SMGFan

Supporters of trophy hunting say that permit fees from the practice, which can run into the tens of thousands of dollars in the case of large game like elephants, can be put toward conservation efforts that help bolster the populations of endangered animals.

In part, that's the logic behind the Trump administration's reversal of an Obama-era ban on importing African elephant trophies from Zimbabwe.

“The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) has made a finding that the killing of African elephant trophy animals in Zimbabwe, on or after January 21, 2016, and on or before December 31, 2018, will enhance the survival of the African elephant,” according to a notice posted Friday in the federal register. But if the logic of killing elephants to save them strikes you as questionable, you're not alone

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1 posted on 11/17/2017 3:14:54 PM PST by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

It amazes me what mental circle jerk the WP will do each day.


2 posted on 11/17/2017 3:16:16 PM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: SMGFan

The GOVERNMENTS in Africa asked him to do this. Not because he wants dead elephants.


3 posted on 11/17/2017 3:17:00 PM PST by Mr. K (NO CONSEQUENCE OF OBAMACARE REPEAL IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF)
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To: SMGFan
The data does not say otherwise you freaks.

Hunters dollars have saved African wildlife.

4 posted on 11/17/2017 3:18:23 PM PST by Vision (If you can't respect the Anthem, then it's time for you to find another home.)
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To: SMGFan

Mark Levin says we should only kill deer.


5 posted on 11/17/2017 3:19:02 PM PST by conservative98
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To: SMGFan

Leave the damned elephants alone, and offer up some financial aide to replace the money that would have been raised by collecting trophies.

In conjunction, offer up rewards for “poacher pelts”.


6 posted on 11/17/2017 3:19:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell / Ryan: Why pass Cons legislation when we can pass Leftist legislation for Leftists?)
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To: SMGFan

If an animal is no longer fertile it is competing for resources that other fertile animals could use. If you want to save the species you need to cull the herd.


7 posted on 11/17/2017 3:20:28 PM PST by LukeL
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To: SMGFan

Yep, gotta kill off some elephants and rinos to save the republican party. Make since to me.


8 posted on 11/17/2017 3:22:07 PM PST by JoSixChip (Repeal and replace the gopE.)
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To: Mr. K

The GOVERNMENTS in Africa asked him to do this. Not because he wants dead elephants.

The photos of Trump’s sons hunting leopards and elephants aren’t helping matters. I wish he would have stayed out of this one for now.

I am not going to take a stand either way but it won’t help Trump politically. I don’t care much for the timing of it.


9 posted on 11/17/2017 3:24:16 PM PST by boycott
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To: SMGFan
I'm sure that just like the previous thread on this subject, the thread will be full of people crying for the poor elephants who know nothing whatsoever about game management.
10 posted on 11/17/2017 3:31:00 PM PST by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: SMGFan

Is there a symbology — re: Rinos?


11 posted on 11/17/2017 3:32:55 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: DoughtyOne; SMGFan

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Leave the damned elephants alone, and offer up some financial aide to replace the money that would have been raised by collecting trophies.

In conjunction, offer up rewards for “poacher pelts”.
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A ‘Running Man’ of poachers vs. hunters?! Not that I wouldn’t pay to watch, but...what could go wrong?! /s

I’d bet they’d make YUGE $$$ offering up *that* kind of hunt. Some real sickos, I’m sure, but damn, I’d bet they’d get the job done.


12 posted on 11/17/2017 3:34:09 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: SMGFan

Chelsea Clinton is moving to Africa to save all the Elephants


13 posted on 11/17/2017 3:35:12 PM PST by butlerweave
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To: boycott

You’re right, but there is never going to be good timing with this media


14 posted on 11/17/2017 3:37:04 PM PST by Mr. K (NO CONSEQUENCE OF OBAMACARE REPEAL IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF)
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To: SMGFan

As usual and sadly,!it depends on who is putting together and analyzing the data.


15 posted on 11/17/2017 3:42:48 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Enough of the mindless rants of the obtuse.)
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To: SMGFan

Trump really lost a lot on this one.


16 posted on 11/17/2017 3:43:05 PM PST by Bogie
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To: SMGFan
The more detailed population trend data from the census showed that populations had been on a rebound from 1995 to about 2007. But since then, elephant populations have been declining by a rate of about 8 percent annually, or 30,000 elephants each year.

And there was trophy hunting during those years from 1995 to 2001. If the stats imply anything, it's that the Obama policy backfired, and led to a decline in elephants. More likely hunting had nothing to do with it one way or another. But the implication that Trump's policy is wrong because populations declined during the Obama years makes no sense at all.

17 posted on 11/17/2017 3:44:17 PM PST by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Vision

Really ? Last I heard the number of elephants was down markedly in areas of Zimbabwe where trophy hunting is allowed, mostly thanks to poaching. Of course that isn’t stopping Trump. Now he wants to kill lions.

https://blog.humanesociety.org/wayne/2017/11/targeting-elephants-interior-department-puts-african-lions-crosshairs.html?credit=blog_post_111717_idhome-page

After targeting elephants, Interior Department puts African lions in the crosshairs


18 posted on 11/17/2017 3:45:49 PM PST by erlayman (yw)
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To: SMGFan

Killing elephants to save the elephants.

19 posted on 11/17/2017 3:48:35 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

we do not need to pay for every cause in the world!


20 posted on 11/17/2017 3:48:36 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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