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Gabby Giffords’s Gun Control Group Releases Report Warning of Muzzleloaders, Other Firearms
The Washington Beacon ^ | 11/16/17 | Stephen Gutowski

Posted on 11/16/2017 8:02:00 PM PST by Simon Green

'Cue the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round'

Former congresswoman Gabby Giffords's gun control group released a report on Wednesday warning of the dangers of muzzle loading rifles, a number of other firearms, and some firearms accessories and calling for new gun control measures targeting the devices.

The group, which recently changed its name from Americans for Responsible Solutions to Giffords, said in a release its report was intended to identify "extremely lethal firearms and devices" that it believes skirt current firearms laws. "Giffords—the gun violence organization founded by former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and her husband, combat veteran and retired NASA astronaut, Captain Mark Kelly—are calling on Congress to update federal gun laws so these accessories can’t turn a firearm into a military-style weapon," the group said in a statement.

The report includes nine examples of firearms or firearms products the group feels are a danger to society. The list includes certain kinds of ammunition, trigger devices that increase the rate of fire of a semi-automatic rifle, what the group describes as "high capacity shotguns," AK and AR style pistols with stabilizing braces, and muzzleloaders. The group said the gun industry is attempting to circumvent the National Firearms Act (NFA) and other federal gun laws through the manufacture of each of the products.

Muzzleloaders, the group said, are dangerous because they are specifically exempted from the NFA and it accuses the gun industry of trying to exploit that exemption.

"These laws prohibit convicted felons and other dangerous people from possessing guns, require gun retailers to be licensed, and require licensed retailers to conduct background checks on purchasers," the report said. "There is one blanket exception to these laws, however: the exception for antique firearms, including muzzleloaders. The gun industry is determined to exploit this exception."

Muzzleloaders, which require gunpowder and a projectile to be manually loaded down barrel of the firearm before each shot, and other antique firearms are exempt from the NFA. The antique firearm exemption applies to "any firearm not intended or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade," according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

The group views the centuries-old firearms technology, which was rendered obsolete shortly after the Civil War due to advancements in self-contained ammunition cartridges and semi-automatic; self-loading firearms, as dangerous because a silencer can legally be attached to it without the paperwork or tax stamp associated with other firearms silencers.

"Cue the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round," the report said. "This weapon is designed with a built-in device to suppress its sound. If any other firearm were built with such a device, it would be subject to the NFA as a silencer. But since this device is designed to suppress the sound of something that is exempt from federal firearms laws, it is not considered a silencer and not subject to the NFA. In fact, it is not subject to any laws at all and can be bought online."

The group called on Congress to take action and pass new laws restricting muzzleloaders and the other products outlined in the report.

"Before bump stocks were used to kill 58 people and maim hundreds of others enjoying an outdoor concert, most Americans had never heard of the device," David Chipman, a Giffords senior policy adviser, said in a statement. Congress has the responsibility to look forward not just backward. It’s time for them to show courage and leadership by drawing a line in the sand and saying they will defend the safety of Americans over an industry trying to line its pockets."


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1 posted on 11/16/2017 8:02:00 PM PST by Simon Green
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Really stupid, they are talking about a sniper putting a silencer on a muzzle loader.


2 posted on 11/16/2017 8:04:14 PM PST by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: Simon Green

John Wilkes Booth was a democrat.


3 posted on 11/16/2017 8:05:15 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Simon Green

Related, with 79 replies.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3605329/posts


4 posted on 11/16/2017 8:05:17 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (MAGA!!!)
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To: Simon Green

>> Before [towelheads?][a nut who should have been locked up years ago?] were used to kill 58 people and maim hundreds of others ...


5 posted on 11/16/2017 8:10:27 PM PST by QBFimi (It is not your responsibility to finish the work of perfecting the world... Tarfon)
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🙀. Damn muzzle loader bump stocks and shoulder goes up thingys. Hey margabby----🖕🏻
6 posted on 11/16/2017 8:13:04 PM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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I suppose you could put a Slide Fire on a muzzle loader, but you’d have to be really fast.


7 posted on 11/16/2017 8:19:20 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Simon Green

LOL! That’s a joke, right?

Muzzleloaders?


8 posted on 11/16/2017 8:22:10 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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OMG!! The Dreaded "Assault" Flintlock! A Most dangerous firearm indeed!
And proved to even more deadly with the "chainsaw bayonet" feature added
9 posted on 11/16/2017 8:24:46 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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This is to get at all .50 cal’s.

These people are idiots, but I’m happy they discredit themselves with this stupidity.

The guy running for Mayor of something was interviewed by Tucker tonight and was trying to defend this nonsense.

It was pitiful.


10 posted on 11/16/2017 8:27:31 PM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: rktman
Damn muzzle loader bump stocks and shoulder goes up thingys. Hey margabby

I put a Bump-Fire stock on one of my muzzleloaders. It didn't seen to work very well. I guess I didn't install it correctly.

11 posted on 11/16/2017 8:27:51 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: familyop

The muzzle loader bump stock is only recommended for those who can flip the bedroom light switch and be under the covers before it’s dark.
Someone should tell Gabby that only freepers can accomplish this feat.


12 posted on 11/16/2017 8:36:38 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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Really stupid, they are talking about a sniper putting a silencer on a muzzle loader.

Behold, the suppressed *gasp* .50 caliber *gasp* muzzleloader!

13 posted on 11/16/2017 8:41:11 PM PST by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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14 posted on 11/16/2017 8:55:10 PM PST by Tawiskaro
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15 posted on 11/16/2017 9:00:18 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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I knew this was coming. I had a feeling that suppressor muzzle loading rifle would stir the gun grabbers up.

I have been shooting black powder muzzle loaders for 50 years and have only read about one or two cases in all that time where one was used in a crime. Most muzzle loader shooters are history buffs that love shooting the old time guns for fun. Criminals and gang bangers wouldn’t touch them or even know how to load them.


16 posted on 11/16/2017 9:10:26 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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"....the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round," the report said. "This weapon is designed with a built-in device to suppress its sound...."

WOW! I did not know that!!!!

I gotta git me one of them things while they's still leegle!

17 posted on 11/16/2017 9:18:11 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: G Larry

If they ban 50 caliber all you have to do is make the dreaded .499 round.


18 posted on 11/16/2017 9:22:01 PM PST by LukeL
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To: Simon Green

How is that going to prevent anything? Stupid


19 posted on 11/16/2017 9:31:46 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucifiedc)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I know of some Amish, Mennonites and others like them here in northeast Indiana who hunt deer with muzzleloaders or crossbows.
I suppose if they got her way with black powder, they would move on to bows.
Gifford’s meddling would take food off their tables. Why can’t this woman find a hobby or a part-time job?
We all know she was shot in the head, but I’ve never understood how that makes her qualified to run a group of gun grabbers telling us what we should or shouldn’t do.
Some one with political clout should tell these meddlesome yahoos to p*** off.


20 posted on 11/16/2017 9:32:36 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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