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1 posted on 11/10/2017 4:18:26 AM PST by x1stcav
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Some very interesting comparative statistics for both the US and Canada.

‘Societal’ issues play a very determinant role in how high the murder rate is is an area.


2 posted on 11/10/2017 4:20:19 AM PST by x1stcav (We have the guns. Do we have the will?)
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ping


3 posted on 11/10/2017 4:24:12 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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There’s a world of difference between gun ownership and gun possession. Gangbangers don’t own guns, they possess stolen guns that defeat our systems of detection and control. But, no one will address that because it might stigmatize our little darling minorities.


4 posted on 11/10/2017 4:26:12 AM PST by Ancient Man
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Liars lump when it suits them, and split-hairs when it suits them. It’s why latinos are classified as whites in national crime statistics.


5 posted on 11/10/2017 4:26:40 AM PST by SpaceBar
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Why is it no one ever talks about the cultural nature of violence? The way I look at it, it’s not that violence in America compared to violence in Europe is better or worse, it’s different.
If you take the worst year of gun violence in America, which is about 50,000 deaths, and keep that number static for every year since 1900, throw in every American killed in every war from then until now you wouldn’t even come close to the body count racked up in Europe during the same period.
So in the American model of violence there is an ongoing levl of small incidents. Someone from Texas gets into a fight from someone from Oklahoma, they pull out their pistols, one or both of them gets fatally wounded, arrests are made and it’s pretty much the end of it. In the European model of violence the disputes are less frequent but instead of 2 men getting into a fight Texas raises an army invades Oklahoma and thousands of people on both sides who had nothing to do with the original argument end up as casualties.
Personally, I prefer no violence at all but if I have to choose I’ll take the American model to the European one.


7 posted on 11/10/2017 4:34:43 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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There is an African American homicide rate and there is an American homicide rate. Unrelated to one another.


8 posted on 11/10/2017 4:36:41 AM PST by anton
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What Libresco did conclude, was that a host of societal issues are driving much of what we hear about in terms of so-called gun violence. Mental illness, suicide, gang violence, and domestic violence are all important factors that drive gun violence. The problem, Libresco admits, is that simply prohibiting certain types of guns doesn't really address these issues.

Nor is there the slightest intent of gun control advocates to address these issues. The goal of every anti-gunner to quote the late and unlamented former mayor of Atlanta, Maynard Jackson - a member of the board of directors of Handgun Control Inc, "We want a country where only the military and police are armed."

Anti-gunners cannot be bargained with, and they cannot be reasoned with. They never give up and they're never satisfied. They will only rest when every last gun and every last bullet is confiscated* from the citizenry and we live in a police state that would make North Korea or Stalin's Russia look like bastions of freedom. (Or alternatively enough of them and their jackbooted thugs collect bullets in a way that they didn't intend.)

*I can never understand why when some private individual steals something from you it's called "theft," but when a government performs exactly the same action it's called "confiscation."

9 posted on 11/10/2017 4:38:33 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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mostly, the rate of violence of all kinds is directly related to the number of blacks living in any given area. It’s really not hard to figure out, just politically incorrect to do so.


14 posted on 11/10/2017 4:50:22 AM PST by euram (4)
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Correct, each city has it’s owm homicide rate, liberal controlled cities I might add.


19 posted on 11/10/2017 4:58:43 AM PST by stockpirate (The GOPe and socialist friends do not fear Americans)
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Blacks.

Everyone knows it.


22 posted on 11/10/2017 5:05:28 AM PST by gaijin (Basically Obama lawyers would blatantly make up some totally groundless allegation against a fat cas)
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First define Homicide, then Murder.

The terms murder and homicide are often used in the news when one person has killed another person. However, they do not give a clear indication of which means what. This often results in people that are not well versed with legal terms to confuse the two words. Murder is actually a type of homicide. Let’s differentiate the two.

Legally, murder is the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought means that the murderer intended to kill the victim with his entire conscious mind. Murder entails that the person was in full control of his senses and that he wanted to kill the victim and may have premeditated the murder beforehand.

There are various degrees of murder, most commonly:

First degree – crimes of exceptional premeditation and/or cruelty

Second degree – killing with malice and no respect for the law, but with no prior deliberation

Felony murder – an accidental death that occurs during the commission of a felony

Most societies consider murder as one of the most serious crimes a person is capable of and it is a crime worthy of the harshest of punishment. This usually entails a life imprisonment, or in some countries, the death penalty. The seriousness of the crime is measured by the intent of the murderer, with the direst punishment reserved for first degree.

Homicide is an umbrella term that covers the act of one human killing another human, which could be lawful as well as unlawful. The term ‘homicide’ also includes killing someone with a purpose of doing an evil deed as well as accidently killing someone in self-defense. Homicide is not always a punishable act under the criminal law and the ruling depends on the type of homicide it is. Murder and manslaughter are considered as types of homicide. The term is often used when it is unsure how and why the victim has died. Once, that is proven and clear, it is then termed under words.

There are three types of homicide:

Justifiable homicide: This homicide is done for the greater good. This homicide is considered excusable under special circumstances that need to be extensively proven. A justifiable homicide includes killing a person that was a threat to the safety of society such as rapist, murderers, etc. Killing a person in self-defense is also considered as a justifiable homicide.

Criminal homicide: Criminal homicide is when a person unlawfully kills another person with the intention of doing harm to that person. Criminal homicide also includes unintentional killings, where an innocent dies by accident. In many jurisdictions, criminal homicide automatically calls for capital punishment. Murder, voluntary/involuntary manslaughter and assisting someone in suicide are all considered to be criminal homicide. However, the punishments for each differ depending on the circumstances.

State-sanctioned homicide: State-sanctioned homicide is when a person that is performing the killing is approved by the state to kill someone. This includes capital punishment, war and authority forces (i.e. police, FBI, sheriff, etc.).

Just thought you should know the difference., because Journalists sure don't.
25 posted on 11/10/2017 5:18:04 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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Most anti gun rights advocates will dismiss the author’s changed views completely.


26 posted on 11/10/2017 5:20:50 AM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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You could also make the argument (that would really strike at the foundation that ones like John Oliver and Piers Morgan base their thinking on) that for many years, it was easier to legally acquire and own various types of firearms in the United Kingdom (including handguns pre-Dunblane) than it was in New York City or Washington, DC. And yet, the U.K. still had firearms death rates lower than particularly these two areas in the United States.

Great Britain did not require permits for buying shotguns until 1967. Pistol licencing began during the Victorian Era, but only for a penny per licence and it was a revenue generating tool more than anything else. Modern regulations concerning that type of firearm and also rifles were not tightened somewhat until the 1920s. And during those years until the late 1960s, crime and violence rates remained consistently low. More modern legislation (introduced since Hungerford in 1987 and Dunblane in 1996)has been followed by crime and homicide rates far higher than they were when the laws were quite casual by comparison.


31 posted on 11/10/2017 5:34:15 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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Some continents have third world countries with borders, some have third world countries within their borders.


32 posted on 11/10/2017 5:40:58 AM PST by Fireone (Lock Her Up! (and 100 of her accomplices))
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Chicago’s is higher than Afghanistan’s.


34 posted on 11/10/2017 5:44:51 AM PST by Don Corleone (.leave the gun, take the canolis, take it to the mattress.)
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Yo, it isn’t rocket science but it is politically incorrect, it is black on black violence, Hispanic on Hispanic violence and white poor on white poor violence.

Those who dwell on the government plantation perpetrate 90% of our violent crime. The drug trade especially but other property crime augments their government benefits. Crime is their career.


39 posted on 11/10/2017 6:41:20 AM PST by tiki
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The opening lines to one of my favorite non PC short stories..
AMOK by John Russell

AMOK

Merry saw how the thing was done one steamy hot day at Palembang, and he saw quite stark and plain. He had a first balcony seat to the performance, as you might say, for he was leaning from a raised and shaded veranda on the river street when it happened just below him. Also, by some chance or other, he was almost completely sober at the time. And this is the thing the sobered Merry saw:

From a doorway just across sprang suddenly out and down to the muddy level a little stout-shouldered half-naked Malay with a face mottled and bluish, with foam on his lip a creese in his hand. Forthright he drove into the crowd like a reaper into standing grain. His blade rose and fell in a crimson flicker, and he strode over the bodies of two victims before the people were aware of him and fled streaming through alleys and bolt holes. Then the terrible hoarse cry of the man hunt began to muster, and furious swart figures to start back out of the mass and to line the course with bright points of steel. The murderer neither paused nor turned aside, but held straight on, hewing steadily and silently, until the weapons bristled thick about him and he went down at last like a malignant slug under a tumble of stinging wasps.

Merry resumed breathing with a conscious effort and loosed his clutch of the balcony rail....

“What—was that?” he wanted to know.

A stolid and rather shabby client of the Dutch marine persuasion drew stolidly on a cheroot and[Pg 309] craned over to count the huddled bundles that marked the madman’s path.

“Oh, it iss nothing,” observed this judicious person, who might have been mate, or such, of a country ship. “He got four only. Sometimes they kill eight—twelve—even more, till they get themselves killed. That fellow was just a common fellow.”

“But why—what was he after?”

“Oh, it iss just going amok, you know. That iss a habit wit’ the Malay folk. I have seen them often.”

Still Mr. Merry desired light.

“How can I say?” returned the other. “A native iss always a native, except when he iss only a man an’ a dam’ fool. Perhaps his woman has gone bad on him or he has played his last copper doit at gambling. Maybe he has crazied himself wit’ opium or bhang. Maybe he iss just come to a finish, you know?”

“A finish?” stammered Merry.

“Where he has no more use: where he gets sorry wit’ the world an’ wants to die quick. So he takes his knife an’ runs amok to stab so many people as he can, an’ he don’t care a dam’ if only he makes a big smash. It is like a sport, truly.”

“Yes,” said Merry. “Very like a sport.”


45 posted on 11/10/2017 7:30:20 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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