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To: wiseprince
The real problem is no one wants cuts to the EPA, DOD, of the State Department. Reasonable cuts can pay for tax reform many times over.

True, spending cuts were never part of this debate (including mandatory spending).

What this bill really does is transfer a portion of the current Federal tax burden from corporations to individuals and families.

People can attack that statement all they want - but it is a fact. That is what the GOP is doing.

39 posted on 11/02/2017 7:53:30 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

I think the pay for perspective is a silly one. The government doesn’t pay for anything because they have no money but that which the people give them through taxation. We have $1million, we spend a million. We have 500K that’s what we spend. The way I would have gone about this is to blow a hole in the debt and then make arguments after that is already a fact on the ground that this is unsustainable and we need cuts. The GOP doesn’t know how to play the game. You create facts on the ground and that automatically changes the discussion. Does this pay for it on the backs of the people? That I don’t know because I don’t know the details but if you’re referring to SALT then I am fine with that. That is a fact on the ground for New York and Cali and the like. They should have governorship elections that discuss cutting taxes at a state level instead of huge taxes that the rest of the country have to, in essence, subsidize.


56 posted on 11/02/2017 8:06:03 AM PDT by wiseprince
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To: SkyPilot
What this bill really does is transfer a portion of the current Federal tax burden from corporations to individuals and families.

And people are cheering their own demise. This will cost my family at least a few thousand, maybe more. And I don't own a large house, make more than $150,000, or live in a high tax state.
136 posted on 11/02/2017 9:13:36 AM PDT by redgolum
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