New Confederate Monuments Are Quietly Going Up Across the U.S.

Newsweek ^ | 10/23/2017 | Tom Porter

[DoodleDawg]

Now as to your claim in reply 46 that Grant kept his slaves until 1868 - three years after the 13th Amendment was ratified - can you post your evidence that supports that?

[rockrr]

Thank God the rebels failed!

[wmileo]

True. However when he died, Civil War Veterans from the Confederate as well as Union Side came in great numbers to his funeral. Soldiers know who deserves respect.

[bassmaner]

and authorities are powerless to act because many are being built on private land.

So Newsweek is upset that government can't steal private property. Got it.

(Actually, according to the Kelo decision, they can through eminent domain. Betcha some 'Rat-controlled jurisdiction will try, using some phony excuse that the monuments will have a negative effect on tax revenue or something. Bet on it.)

[SJackson]

Missouri and Kentucky. Missouri seceded in October, 1861, Kentucky in December. When invaded. However the Union organized state conventions and established pro union governments. Essentially both states were in both the Confederacy and the United States. Regiments both sides too. Virginia had a pro Union government too. In the west, which became West Virginia in 63.

[DoodleDawg]

Missouri and Kentucky. Missouri seceded in October, 1861...

The Missouri Secession Convention voted against secession in February 1861. The majority of the state legislature opposed secession as well. When Governor Jackson insisted in taking the state out of the Union he was basically impeached and the governors office was declared vacant. Jackson and the pro-secession minority of the legislature went down to Neosho and set up a Confederate state government. Strictly speaking, Missouri didn't secede.

...Kentucky in December. When invaded.

The invasion was by the Confederates. Kentucky had a pro-secession government and a heavily anti-secession legislature. They tried to remain neutral, and that neutrality was honored by both sided until Leonidas Polk invaded in September 1861. As in Missouri, the governor and a minority of the legislature went off and formed a Confederate government and claimed the state had seceded. As with Missouri they were wrong.

[SJackson]

I understand, but both states had secessionist governments, the Confederacy considered them state, there were 13 stars in their flag, and that's why there are 13 columns in the monument, the question I was answering.

Same response as to who invaded who, I guess the winners determine that. And most people don't think Kentucky or Missouri seceded. 13 stars in the Confederate flag, one each for Kentucky and Missouri. Argument there for both sides