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To: leaymane

Ban bump stocks and get it over with.....they make a legal gun illegal.


3 posted on 10/15/2017 6:56:17 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

No they don’t.


5 posted on 10/15/2017 6:58:09 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: Sacajaweau

There is no such thing as an illegal gun. There are however, illegal uses of a gun, just like any other tool which is used to hurt others.


7 posted on 10/15/2017 6:58:41 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Make American Intelligence Great Again.)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Ban bump stocks and get it over with.....they make a legal gun illegal.”

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No, they do not. Are you trolling or just ignorant about guns?


9 posted on 10/15/2017 6:59:58 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Socialism Lite is still Socialism)
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To: Sacajaweau

No they don’t.


16 posted on 10/15/2017 7:06:58 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Sacajaweau

ought to ban paper clips as well, and all short thin wire, for the same reason.


24 posted on 10/15/2017 7:11:29 PM PDT by going hot (happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Sacajaweau
No, they don't. Automatic refers to specific structure of the weapon. There a number of legal devices that mimic auto fire. Some of them are more controllable and thus more accurate than bump-firing, either with a bump-stock or firing from the belt loop. 3D printing makes it inevitable that all the bans in the world will only make the devices proliferate as people realize they are necessary if your ownership of guns is predicated in part on a potential necessity of defense against the Government.

The peril of the proposed legislation is that the wording will be vague enough to derive a total ban on semiautomatic rifles and will set up a real arms crisis if the USSC doesn't knock it down quickly.

25 posted on 10/15/2017 7:12:13 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: Sacajaweau

The problem is the absolute wording of the Second Amendment.


29 posted on 10/15/2017 7:17:41 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: Sacajaweau

If a man uses a table fork to harm a person at lunch, should you ban forks or dull the tines? There are two types of guns. There are illegally procured guns. And there are legally procured guns. But they are the same gun. The classification is based upon the procurer, not the gun.

So limiting the gun won’t change the result. The procurer will still shoot someone if he is illegal. New gun laws won’t change the illegal people, just hinder the legal from protecting themselves. Remember, triggers don’t pull fingers.

rwood


33 posted on 10/15/2017 7:31:56 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Sacajaweau

I never heard of a “bump-stock” until Obama legalized them. This bump-stock hubbub is a ruse to attack all semi-autos!!! I can bump fire without a special stock, but it’s inaccurate, dangerous, and eats up a lot of ammo fast.


38 posted on 10/15/2017 8:00:17 PM PDT by myerson
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To: Sacajaweau
Ban bump stocks and get it over with.....they make a legal gun illegal.

Nonsense. What the Democrats, and their RINO anti 2nd Amendment friends want is another excuse to regulate firearms. Massachusetts just passed legislation intended to outlaw bump stocks - and they did so by outlawing anything that makes the rate of fire of a gun faster. So presumably triggers with lighter pulls, or work that causes a weapon to cycle more quickly is now illegal in Massachusetts.

As horrible as it seems, terrorists shooting at crowds are still preferable to the same terrorist setting off a bomb or crashing a truck or airplane into the crowd.

Politicians who immediately go after the rights of law abiding Americans when a terrorist attacks have an agenda whose primary goal is not what they say it is. Keeping the public safe from similar attacks in the future is less important to them than taking away the rights of the citizens.

41 posted on 10/15/2017 8:13:55 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Sacajaweau
Ban bump stocks and get it over with.....they make a legal gun illegal.

Only in a SLAVE STATE like the place you must live in. In the free states where men and women live free, the Constitution is still in force, and it says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

Who is going to come and take my bump stock from me? You? Cops from the slave states like NY, NJ, IL, CA? Bring it on. We need to get this civil war over anyway.

49 posted on 10/15/2017 8:28:08 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; we got Gorsuch and a bit of the MAGA agenda. Likely have a civil war before we get more.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Not really.


50 posted on 10/15/2017 8:31:03 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: Sacajaweau
Say what? I think they are stupid but they are legal. Banning them because some folks like me think they're stupid, others consider them a waste, and others think they're scary doesn't make sense as it is just another slippery step in the battle to ban guns.

That's the great thing about the Constitution - it allows bad things to occur because Freedom is more precious than absolute control by a government - even God gives us Free Will to do horrendous things....

60 posted on 10/16/2017 3:47:08 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Sacajaweau

Except the bill is not written to just ban bump stocks. It puts all semi-autos in jeopardy.


64 posted on 10/16/2017 7:09:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Sacajaweau

Bumpstocks don’t do anything to increase the rate of fire on a semi auto weapon that you can’t do by hooking your trigger finger through a belt loop or using a thick rubber band.

HR3999 currently working its way through committee is the legislation you always expect to see after a mass govt false flag shooting. On the surface it appears to mainly ban bumpstocks but its the fine print that is important. HR 3999 also bans any after market part that might (emphasis on might)increase the rate of fire on a semi auto weapon. The wording is so ambiguous that it leaves the interpretation completely open for the ATF. If passed this bill would ban everybody from changing out triggers springs, bolts etc to improve the quality of your weapon. HR3999 contains no grandfather clause so as soon as it is signed into law everybody with after market triggers is a felon. Maybe all those weapons need to be confiscated. See how this bullchit works?

The bumpstocks controversy is ridiculous on its face. Having or not having a bumpstocks weapon would have made zero difference in the Las Vegas shooting. Bumpstocks are notorious for breaking down and Jamming.

What you heard on those video tapes was full auto fire. IMO and Mr. GG2 s opinion it was likely a full auto Chinese AK. We listened to it a thousand times. You don’t get that clacking sound with an AR. We have an AK and an AR. They don’t sound the same. We were listening to an interview with a vet recently back from Afghanistan. He said there is no doubt it was an AK. We agree. Go to YouTube and watch a full auto AK and a full auto AR video. Then listen to the Vegas video.

This whole Las Vegas thing was likely a deep state sting operation gone bad. Everyday the explanations become more implausible. The whole point of it is try to advance the gun control so well meaning people like you who have little understanding of weapons will say “ban bumpstocks and get it over with. They make a legal gun illegal”. Actually they don’t. The trigger still has
to be pulled every single time the gun fires. So I’m not dissing you I’m just encouraging everyone to understand what’s at work here and pushback. Call your congressman or woman and tell them to vote no on HR3999 or anything similar.


70 posted on 10/16/2017 8:52:26 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Sacajaweau

The constitution does not authorize the government to ban pieces of plastic or metal.


74 posted on 10/17/2017 5:45:17 AM PDT by Impy (The democrat party is the enemy of your family and civilization itself, forget that at your peril.)
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