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Posted on 10/12/2017 9:51:48 AM PDT by Red Steel
Yup, And if one got smart, they’d simply “apply” a suitable rubber “soft ware” appliance to their shirt or desired apparel near the stock contact location that would “facilitate” the bump-stock effect. Who needs metallic hardware at all.
I think one answer would be to put firearms control advocates on the defensive again. Legalize something.
After reading The Confessions of Congressman X in June of 2016, I decided to stop participating in congressional elections.
It is all a charade, a façade, a Potemkin village of self-government.
Article V.
The only reason the Vegas killer used them was to skirt the current laws/controls on actual auto weapons. It would have possible caused scrutiny that might have "put him on the RADAR" (useless as that has been in stopping the bad guys....)...
Since you're in Kalifornia, how are you coping with the 'Assault Weapon' registration?
Have you looked into a Kalifornia-compliant loading device to exempt your weapon from having to be registered? Here's but just one example:
http://www.guns.com/2017/03/02/the-side-loading-ar-15-stripper-clip-because-california-video/
[It’s better to handle it with ATF than allow the Democrats an opportunity to field an anti-gun bill that fulfills their wildest dreams and sets the stage for even more tyranny. No legislation is superior to a steaming pile of legislation]
And when a another Obama gets in the White House he’ll merely direct his ATF to pass whatever restrictions he feels like through administrative action rather than a full hearing in Congress. I’d rather have Congress deal with it. At least we can burn up the phone lines rather than cede our rights to a faceless bureaucracy.
You need to read Unintended Consequences. In this case, we do not have a simple mugger but a mafia looking around.
The bump stock does not increase the rate of fire, that is up to the user to do that with the bump stock. They want to ban a fighting technique overall, like the Chinese banned Tai Chi for 300 years. Light triggers will be banned and good bye the foray in gun culture making them attractive to women like the iphone made computers attractive to women.
haha, you got to be joking. Paul Ryan wants 2 things out of this: a god Obama dictatorship for the globalist. And to throw the ball in Trump/Sessions corner so as to trap him and him only on gun control.
It has nothing to do with what is better congress or exec, but, in any case, Congress, even for the worst, is always better than letting loose the EPA or ATF as a matter of checks and balances.
hear! Hear!
Besides the proper response to an attack on Pearl Harbor was not to discuss a disarmament treaty with Japanese, but when right wingers get shot up at a concert, oh boy, the Powers are so afraid that a right wing hunting party will start up against the leftist terrorists, they immediately start talking of bagging limits , thus turning the 2A of defense into an accusation of it being un Pc language of offense.
Now why would that be!? And why would they concurrently keep using the term domestic Terrorist but not islamic Terrorist? Because PC is a front and cover for genocide, pogrom and against any sheeple based threat to the upper up statist chain of command ruling us like privates.
The State was never meant to be much more than ruling over state workers. There is a high need of a convention against a seditionist state viewing us as their subjects.
I ordered one last week.
I’m amazed that they’re still available.
“...hope the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) will act administratively to outlaw the devices, ...”
ATF doesn’t make law.
Congress does.
count three shots and move yer finger
When you get yours, make sure to put an ad on craigslist to sell it. And make sure to “sell it to someone you don’t know.” And don’t use your phone to make the calls to and from this “person.” Because when they arbitrarily call this a Class III weapon, the BATF *will* be visiting.
I like that gizmo. Might have to get one.
Not that I actually own one of those evil AR-15’s. #;^)
Haven’t given the newest “make Law Abiding Citizens Overnight Felons” Unconstitutional attack on our God Given Rights much thought to be honest.
Eh, do you want them to pass this pointless gun control measure?
Thinking about this further, I have to conclude that the possibility of another ATF raid like Ruby Ridge or the Davidian Compound over some piddling allegation that “so-and-so has a homemade bump stock” makes any such law unthinkable. Funny how those travesties didn’t have libtards rushing to draft a new law to reign in the ATF.
Bottom line, as someone on this thread just said, this is not a mugging,it’s a mafioso looking first for protection money, and then a monopoly on garbage pickup, and that’s just the beginning. Whatever alterations an amature gunsmith can make to a gun should not be legislated, because the ATF is too hot to trot to make a big raid every March around the time that funding debates come ‘round, and they’re not above blowing away Timmy and his mangy little dog, too, based on flimsy allegations. Forgive, yes. Forget, never.
One thing that I really like about Free republic is the amazing incisiveness and the vast quantity of thoughtful and informed analysis and information about a multiplicity of subjects. However, I am EXTREMELY disappointed about much of what has been said of the the bumpfire stock controversy. Much of it sounds has though it was promulgated by the ignorant gun grabbing left.
I am a 2 tour Vietnam infantry combat veteran, and a member of the Illinois National guard for 26 years. I served in a Military police battalion has a platoon sergeant and an operations sergeant. I was a certified Illinois State Police Firearms and Defensive tactics instructor, and a member of Special Reaction and SWAT teams. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds through automatic weapons of all types, belt and magazine fed, tripod and shoulder mounted, ranging from .45 caliber M-3 sub machine guns up to M2A1 40 mm twin anti-aircraft guns mounted on an M-42 self propelled anti-aircraft gun.
I am retired and spend one day a month on the rifle range shooting my AR-15 rifles. When this slide fire device was first introduced, the low cost and novelty intrigued me and I purchased one. It was a bit awkward to use at first, but in one afternoon, after a bit of practice I was able to get 90% of any length burst on a man sized target at 75 yards, which is close to the normal engagement ranges for truly effective full auto fire from shoulder mounted weapons. It is not as useful has a true selective fire assault rifle since it requires two hands to employ, but it DOES have some measure of limited tactical utility for anyone who practices with it. I never really considered this item to be a true tactical instrument, but I did appreciate the ingenuity and thought that went into turning “bump fire’ into almost as accurate a technique has I could use with a true select fire assault rifle.
In Las Vegas, this monster had the effective use of plunging frontal, oblique and flanking enfilade fire with a significant beaten zone against an area sized target of 25,000 people. That is what automatic weapons fire is made for. What would normally limit the weapon is the lack of a quick change barrel on an AR-15 when it begins to overheat. That problem was solved by using multiple weapons. In short it was hard for him not to miss.
Experts who have decried the effectiveness of full auto fire from assault rifles and other shoulder fired weapons are largely correct. Semi-auto fire is usually most desired and superior, and includes the advantages of duration of sustained fire to prevent barrel overheating and enhances an ammo expenditure and accuracy standpoint. Auto fire in an assault rifle has the following tactical utility, in the final and close in (100 meters or less) stages of an assault, to gain initial fire superiority, to break contact, particularly has a counter ambush technique, when firing along final protective lines when a perimeter is in danger of being overrun, and to support by fire the maneuver tactics of another element. Leaders should be responsible to control the fire of their subordinates to maintain fire discipline, but in those roles that I have outlined, full auto fire is very useful indeed.
The battle has been joined. The anti-gun hysterics are in full cry. They will never be satisfied until they achieve near total firearm confiscation. The genie is out of the bottle. You cannot stop psychopaths employing bump fire methods unless you can repeal the laws of Newtonian physics. I realize that some sort of regulation will ensue in the wake of this horrific atrocity. But I don’t like it one damn bit.
If they do enact this ban, then any so called “compromise” by repealing the 1986 Hughes Act which caused the prices of full auto weapons to skyrocket. There is NO REASON for a legally transferable M-16 to cost over 50,000 dollars. You can be assured that any such owner will be thoroughly vetted by the background check that would be required to purchase one.
I don’t care if it passes or not.
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