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California’s New “Wrong Pronoun” Law for Transgenders Is A Doozy
Hotair ^ | 10/10/2017 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 10/10/2017 2:03:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

We actually discussed this proposal when it first arose in California a while back, but much of the general consensus seemed to be that it wouldn’t actually happen so there was no sense spinning our wheels over it. This issue at hand was a bill which would criminalize the use of the “wrong pronoun” when speaking with transgender persons. It was only supposed to apply to health care workers in nursing homes and other specific care facilities, but opponents worried that it could readily be expanded to every aspect of life. As I said… not gonna happen, right?

Well, never underestimate the crazy factor in California because it’s been signed into law. And violators could be looking at a steep fine or even a year in the county lockup. (Fox News)

California health care workers who “willfully and repeatedly” decline to use a senior transgender patient’s “preferred name or pronouns” could face punishments ranging from a fine to jail time under a newly signed law.

California Gov. Jerry Brown signed the legislation last week. The sponsor, Democratic state Sen. Scott Wiener, has argued adamantly that nobody is going to be criminally prosecuted for using the wrong pronoun.

“It’s just more scare tactics by people who oppose all LGBT civil rights and protections,” he said in a statement last month.

But the language seemingly allows for the possibility, however remote.

The response from the bill’s sponsor is especially telling. When someone dared to point out that his legislation sounds like something straight out of Animal Farm, he responded by insisting that nobody was going to be prosecuted. I see. So you went to the trouble of drawing up a bill, pushing it through the legislature and convincing the Governor to sign it, but you’re not to have it enforced? Because that’s sure what it sounds like you’re saying (which may be even more Loony Tunes than the original bill itself). And it doesn’t matter whether someone is locked up or “only” has to pay a fine equal to two week’s take home pay for the median American worker. The point is, you have criminalized speech.

This is yet another case where we desperately need someone to violate this law and be charged just so it can make its way through the appeals process. Making the claim that this is somehow constitutional should be a massive challenge. Then again, these days I’m less and less confident about wishing for such things. You can find a judge to rule your way on most any SJW concept in the world if you shop around enough.

Even if we are to assume that addressing someone using a pronoun which refers to their actual gender (rather than their personal preference) is somehow “rude,” we still don’t throw people in jail for rudeness or unpopular opinions. Or at least we didn’t used to when the First Amendment meant something. But as we’ve seen in too many of California’s college campuses, the First Amendment is now not only old fashioned and out of style, but actually met with hostility. Apparently that trend has worked its way up from the universities to the state legislature and the Governor’s mansion as well.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; lgbt; pronouns; transgender
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To: Boogieman

Good point.


21 posted on 10/10/2017 2:50:59 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: SeekAndFind

No one’s ever gonna tell me how to talk. They aren’t gonna put me in jail for it either...ever.


22 posted on 10/10/2017 3:01:29 PM PDT by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Shouldn’t Californians be calling each other Tovarishch instead of worrying about names and pronouns?


23 posted on 10/10/2017 3:20:16 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Whig Party died when it fled the great fight of its century. Ditto for the Republicans now.)
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To: Tzimisce

I don’t think it will survive a first amendment challenge.

Well, it will through the 9th, but not to SCOTUS.


24 posted on 10/10/2017 3:24:08 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

My new pronoun for everything California is ash.


25 posted on 10/10/2017 3:26:11 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: KarlInOhio

Preferred pronoun is Comrade. Next is Citizen.


26 posted on 10/10/2017 3:27:52 PM PDT by satan (The tree of liberty is dying in the drought.)
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To: Tzimisce
I can burn an American flag and everything is fine, but if I piss off some tranny I’m going to jail?

What a country...

Nope, what a State.

Too bad, I would have liked to have seen it some day.

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27 posted on 10/10/2017 3:28:21 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: SeekAndFind

My advice would be for all normal people to stay the hell out of California if you don’t want to go to jail.


28 posted on 10/10/2017 3:31:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The Second Amendment. NOW more than ever!)
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To: SeekAndFind

California - arrested for not calling someone a pronoun they made up for them self, but not arrested for knowingly endangering someone from becoming infected by your HIV infected blood.

It just keeps getting more crazy all the time.


29 posted on 10/10/2017 3:33:34 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Tzimisce

“What happened to free speech/free expression?

I can burn an American flag and everything is fine, but if I piss off some tranny I’m going to jail?

What a country.”

What a state! This has to be some sort of joke doesnt it?


30 posted on 10/10/2017 3:40:28 PM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you Gov Jerri Brown


31 posted on 10/10/2017 3:40:38 PM PDT by Jolla
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Are seniors who possibly don’t know what’s going on possibly being bullied by state agents to raise the issue of politically correct gender?


32 posted on 10/10/2017 4:00:50 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s SCOTUS time!!!


33 posted on 10/10/2017 4:25:10 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: LydiaLong

Not so fast, they Judge shop so they can assure the outcome.


34 posted on 10/10/2017 4:29:40 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Po Dunk)
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To: SeekAndFind

Won’t pass constitutional muster. Will enjoy watching first person prosecuted under this law not only win at the Supreme Court but get a huge cash payment from the state coffers as well when it’s all said and done.


35 posted on 10/10/2017 4:31:54 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t forget, they have a new Law that makes the purposeful transmission of the HIV Virus a Misdemeanor instead of a Felony as it is today.

I’ll be a dollar to a doughnut that maybe 3 of every 100 people living in CA even know about that new Law.


36 posted on 10/10/2017 4:37:06 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative ( Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I predict there will soon be a shortage of nursing home workers. They don’t get paid enough to risk spending a year in jail.


37 posted on 10/10/2017 4:58:25 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: bgill
I predict there will soon be a shortage of nursing home workers. They don’t get paid enough to risk spending a year in jail.

They'll be replaced by workers who speak no English.

38 posted on 10/10/2017 5:36:42 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: SeekAndFind

Since California is full of liberals I suspect most of those convicted will be liberals unless the law is enforced selectively. Can’t wait to see the libs throwing each other in jail.


39 posted on 10/10/2017 5:49:24 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
If you get arrested, tell them they all have to use your pronoun, Zbingadengbuhlabaramazhangboxu, and pronounce it correctly or you are going to have them arrested. Don't write it down for them to read, because that would be dissing your pronoun, which is also illegal.

40 posted on 10/10/2017 6:21:39 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill: NFL, NBA, BLM, CAIR, Hollywood, Antifa, SPLC, CNN, ESPN, NPR, TWITTER, FACEBOOK)
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