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Whisper it, but Israel's Ultra-Orthodox community is starting to talk about homosexuality
Haaretz ^ | 9/23/2017 | Judy Maltz

Posted on 09/23/2017 12:27:24 PM PDT by NetAddicted

I still can't copy, even though I restarted my iPad. Yikes! Read at the link.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fakenews; haaretz; homosexualagenda; judaism; modernorthodoxy; sodomandgomorrah; ultraorthodox; ultraorthodoxjudaism
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I read Chabad doesn't publish on certain issues, i.e. homosexuality. All I can remember. Article starts out talking about Yigal Guetta, who resigned from the Knesset, after he revealed he went to his nephew's wedding to a man. He forced his children to go, which, since he believes homosexuality is against G-d, is pretty surprising. The article doesn't say Ultra-Orthodox Jews are accepting of homosexuality. Their main point is Modern Orthodoxy is accepting of homosexuality. Explains Ivanka and Jared.
1 posted on 09/23/2017 12:27:24 PM PDT by NetAddicted
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To: NetAddicted

Another point: Ivanka and Jared are attending a Chabad synagogue in DC. Whoa!
I read Orthodox Judaism will be the majority in Israel by 2030, which is why these ignoramuses are trying to convince themselves that Orthodox Judaism is going to reject the Torah and accept homosexuality any minute now.

2 posted on 09/23/2017 12:31:53 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: NetAddicted

Is this the liberal “Modern Orthodoxy” that Kushner is into?

3 posted on 09/23/2017 12:33:55 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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...It is true that the 613 commandments of the Torah are binding only on Jews. But according to Orthodox tradition, there are also universal standards of morality to which the righteous of all nations should subscribe. The rabbis termed these the seven Noahide laws, which variously proscribe murder, blasphemy, sexual immorality etc...

... When it comes to forbidden sexual relationships, some rabbis count all those listed in Leviticus 18, the arayot, which include incest, adultery, bestiality and male homosexual intercourse...

... “There are 30 commandments the sons of Noah took on themselves but they observe three of them” (the 30 are presumably specific commandments that fall under the more general heading of the seven).

One of the three observed by non-Jews is that “they do not draw up a ketubah [marriage contract] for males” (Chullin 92a); in other words, they do not legitimise same-sex unions...

4 posted on 09/23/2017 12:36:47 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: NetAddicted

I don’t think there’s supposed to be anything said that sheds a negative light on Ivanka, either directly or indirectly.

Because, well, she’s Ivanka.

5 posted on 09/23/2017 12:47:05 PM PDT by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Olog-hai

I assume so.

6 posted on 09/23/2017 12:48:19 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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I didn’t know it was in the Noahide laws (Noachide?).

7 posted on 09/23/2017 1:32:22 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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Is it #4?
# 7 ...Do not replace that Supreme being with finite idols, be it yourself or other beings.

8 posted on 09/23/2017 1:46:38 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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The Bible documents talk about this subject back thousands of years.

It still hasn’t become a sinless enterprise.

A decaying society, doesn’t change God’s view of things.

9 posted on 09/23/2017 2:05:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (John McBane is the turd in the national puch-bowl.)
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To: NetAddicted

Can you read this article? I got this in a link and can read it, but when I click the article link, it says subscribe. I tried to copy the page to post it (you can tell me if that’s alright), but when I double click, no screens come up. I Binged for an answering link, but nothing.

10 posted on 09/23/2017 2:32:22 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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The Heblews - they walk among them.

11 posted on 09/23/2017 3:17:36 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: NetAddicted

It all begins with the compromising acceptance of a false premise:

There is no such thing as homosexuality; it is homoeroticism.

Sexuality must be inherently functional; that is where it begins. (Forget the Bible if you like; see real science on Sexual Reproduction.)

There is no functional form of sexuality that can occur between two persons of the same sex.

Homoeroticism is a narcissistic fetish that happens to focus on another person rather than an inanimate object.

I pity such persons, but they cannot make me call a pig a cow.

12 posted on 09/23/2017 3:18:30 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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Time for .... you know.

13 posted on 09/23/2017 3:23:27 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: NetAddicted

I’m an Orthodox Jew. Haaretz writers would no doubt call me “Ultra Orthodox”. I can tell you the article is (shockingly) absurd. First of all, there is no brave new world of homosexual acceptance and understanding emerging among Ultra Orthodox Jews. Jews who follow the Torah have only one opinion about it: it’s wrong. Period. Full Stop. Second, they make it sound as if the topic of homosexuality itself is some kind of scary topic that Orthodox Jews never talk about. Wrong. It is not discussed in the same way that the permissive popular/secular culture does: we don’t talk about individuals; we talk about issues. Gay marriage, like homosexuality, is wrong. Gay synagogues are wrong. Any measure of compromise with the Torah outlook on homosexuality is wrong.

Like every other aspect of human behavior, homosexuality is addressed in a candid and sober fashion in the Talmud and other works on Jewish law. There isn’t a whole lot to say about it, since the Torah perspective is fairly straightforward (pun intended).

It is also important to dispel any notion that Orthodox Jews eagerly wish gays were put to death as prescribed in the Torah. There is no judicial authority with the power to impose such a penalty and the actual procedure (like all capital cases in Jewish law) has so many protections in favor of a defendant that the penalty would almost be impossible to carry out. Moreover, the correct attitude of Orthodox Jews is that they would rather see people change their ways than suffer punishments.

14 posted on 09/23/2017 6:06:33 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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Why does G-d proscribe homosexuality?

15 posted on 09/23/2017 8:13:57 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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Haaretz is a lefty newspaper. Anyone observing Torah law would be viewed by them as "ultra Orthodox". And Haaretz would not miss out on any opportunity to stick it to religious Jews.

Last time I checked, the Torah has not been changed. And last time I checked, homosexuality was still an abomination according to Torah law, in any form. That includes the disgusting parody of permanent union between a man and a woman referred to as "gay marriage". The former member of the Knesset who forced his family to attend one of these disgusting parodies was putting the sensibilities of his individual family members above Torah law. WRONG! By attending that celebration of violating Torah law, he was sanctioning the violation, when he should have shunned it.

We just went through Rosh Hashana. Right there in the Rosh Hashana liturgy, it speaks of G-d, saying that He does not "wish the death one one deserving death; He awaits him; if he repents, He will accept him immediately..."

So as far as gays being put to death, that's a smear by leftist media. Both G-d Himself and His sincere followers, religious Jews, fervently hope for the return of violators---whatever the particular violation is---to the observance of Torah law, not that they be put to death.

16 posted on 09/23/2017 8:21:32 PM PDT by EinNYC
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There’s a lengthy treatment of Noachide Laws that includes a frank discussion of the problems with homosexuality at:

17 posted on 09/24/2017 6:44:33 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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Given the fact that the source, Ha'aertz, is an Israeli "paper" read on paper by less than 4% of Israelis. To the left of the NY Times and Washington Post. Yes, they are #3 in circulation, but splitting up a diverse population after 1 and 2. They do have a big web presence in English. But imo not a particularly valid source on observant Judaism, which they don't like very much anywhere, in Israel.

18 posted on 09/24/2017 10:49:17 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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Why does G-d proscribe homosexuality?

Although one might say He does not give a reason, I believe homosexuality is referred to as To’eiva-an abomination. Other parts of the Torah clearly describe that G-d hates sexual immorality. So, it is fair to say that homosexuality is abominable to, and hated by G-d and he commanded us not to do abominable things.

On another level, it seems that G-d created the world with very conspicuous order, such as the complementary reproductive organs in men and women. In contrast, people of the same sex do not have this “compatibility” and can be said to be going against the order established in G-d’s creation. Perhaps the proscription is the consequence of defying G-d’s order.

19 posted on 09/24/2017 6:31:59 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: EinNYC

Very well stated.

A Gut Gebentched Yohr

20 posted on 09/24/2017 6:35:05 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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