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The day that destroyed the working class and sowed the seeds of Trump
New York Post ^ | September 16, 2017 | Salena Zito

Posted on 09/19/2017 8:06:04 PM PDT by MilesVeritatis

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To: central_va
Besides all of that imported steel made cars almost free. Then we exported the factories too, so now they pay us to take the imported cars off of their hands.

I guess I'm doing it wrong. I never got a free car, let alone aid to take one home. Although I do think GM owes my grandkids a pickup truck, since they will be paying for one. Too bad it would be a Chevy.

41 posted on 09/19/2017 9:19:51 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: cba123

A side effect of capitalism is that we believe being able to buy the cheapest product is a result of reasonable market forces driving down prices.

...except it is not - but the fault isn’t with capitalism, it’s with an uneven playing field. Our economy could accelerate to “light speed” if we all spent a few bucks more on an item if it were built here.

It’s a concept that is very hard to deliver to poor people, “spend more and you’ll be better off”. If you pay more for a coffee mug that is made here vs. in China, it’s just a buck...but it means a great deal to the economics of where it is made, it encourages making it here. Once there’s more jobs, too many in fact, wages will rise.

Too many politicians have been too willing to sell out the American people, making deals that benefit only the corporations, when we could have an environment that can benefit everyone. Deals that just make products cheaper (via cheap foreign labor) are short term corporate gains that don’t help the working class. It may help the stock market in the short term but hurts it long term due to the inability of the American people to purchase products.

Buy American. It isn’t just a slogan, it’s an economic principle with deep ramifications...especially for the low income folks. I can afford it, as can many more as jobs are brought back here - it’s a fly wheel, the more you buy American the more American’s can buy American.


42 posted on 09/19/2017 9:40:55 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: MilesVeritatis

[ From then on, this date in 1977 would be known as Black Monday in the Steel Valley, which stretches from Mahoning and Trumbull counties in Ohio eastward toward Pittsburgh. It is the date when Youngstown Sheet and Tube abruptly furloughed 5,000 workers in one day. ]

Wow


43 posted on 09/19/2017 9:52:13 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: MilesVeritatis
Politicians, union bosses and ignorance killed our economy.

Every time a labor or environmental law or regulation was laid on one of our manufacturers their manufacturing costs went up which put them at a disadvantage to their unencumbered competitors over in those asian hell-holes.

We could have rebalanced this manufacturing cost disadvantage with import tariffs but we didn't because of paid off politicians and union bosses. China now has most of what used to be our manufacturing and we gave it to them.
44 posted on 09/19/2017 9:55:07 PM PDT by Garth Tater (Gone Galt and I ain't coming back.)
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To: Garth Tater

+1


45 posted on 09/19/2017 9:57:46 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Two people making $30k per year can have a pretty good life.

Two people? Two people at 60k make what after in CA after taxes? 34k? Those two people likely wouldn't qualify for a bottom end, 50 year old fixer home. A pretty good life?

46 posted on 09/19/2017 10:01:32 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MilesVeritatis

The article is full of references to 70’s SJWs. Dem politicians, and unions. If you ever worked a union job during that era in what is now the Rust Belt you know what all of that means. I consider it another liberal disaster. This was the first round of disasters resulting from unions, Dems energy policies, the war on cars, and tax policy.

That area is booming with investment in factories but it will not boom with jobs. Who wants to invest billions then be held hostage by the aforementioned groups? Plant automation yields investment, white collar jobs, and very little than can unionized.


47 posted on 09/19/2017 10:04:59 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Adding to your comments about some Steelworkers union headquarters showing Marxist slogans, Staughton Lynd is also a Marxist. He showed his true colors went he went to Hanoi in 1965 with traitor Tom Hayden and Communist Party theoretician Herbert Aptheker, a lifelong Stalinist, to support communist aggression against South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

At least Lynd had some feelings for the working people. Aptheker did whatever Moscow told him to do or say, while Hayden became the “new” American communist, a guy, who according to his friend named Gardner, wanted to be the American “Stalin”.

One of the reasons wanted Americans to buy American steel despite the high labor costs for producing it (thanks to the Unions), was to keep their hold on the working class as a way of promoting “socialism” and to gain political allies in the Democrat Party.

Look what it cost the honest working guy. Perhaps Lynd should have studied American free enterprise and capitalism instead of Marxism. He would have seen that it would have been better for the people he wanted to help, not harm

Old reds never die. They just smell that way.

He could’ve been a contender.


48 posted on 09/19/2017 10:15:43 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Ok, but how does buying all our steel from Red Chinese communists protect us from all of that? If the Unions are red, the bankers and steel using industries who buy from China are just as red.


49 posted on 09/19/2017 10:21:16 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: MilesVeritatis

Wow. What a good article. I remember the local National Rolling Mills in my area and at least 2 steel plants near me that closed in the 70s. Worked in industrial and manufacturing settings for nearly 30 years and watched them dwindle, even in aerospace... Service jobs just don’t pay the way those jobs did when we were making sruff. Thank you, Salena.


50 posted on 09/19/2017 10:52:21 PM PDT by SueRae (An administration like no other.)
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To: cba123

The systemiccextractuon of wealth from the us. Viatrade policies, tax policies etc is not an accident. It’s by design. The uniparty is owned by people who fill their pockets doing the extracting.


51 posted on 09/19/2017 11:05:12 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SaveFerris

PacBell essentially blew out 5,000 IT staff in Nov 1991. It wasn’t an ambush dismissal. It was an intentional headcount cut. I wasn’t a target, but the impacts prompted me to join the exit. Had a better job lined up before my final day at PacBell. Stepped off a trainwreck and onto better digs. PacBell cratered and was acquired by a competitor.


52 posted on 09/19/2017 11:16:44 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: MilesVeritatis

As a Pittsburgh area resident, I remember those days well. I remember how the mood of the entire country was against the steel workers. Greedy overpaid bast##ds got it coming, everyone said. But folks in this area knew this was a test case. If the government and the people in power could do that here, they could do it everywhere. We’re not surprised that eventually the working class everywhere began to suffer. Ha ha ha.


53 posted on 09/19/2017 11:18:50 PM PDT by Ciexyz (I'm conservative & traditionalist.)
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To: fuzzylogic

I thank you for your reply.


54 posted on 09/20/2017 12:15:37 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: HamiltonJay

I agree completely.

BOTH PARTIES. Everyone in politics, is sold out to globalism.

Trump is out front, opposing that. I believe it is why he won the election.

This will be a very big issue, in the political arena, in American politics in the future.

China is walking away from us, globally, and every single person in politics, in selling us out.

Except Trump.

I sure hope, he is going to lead increasingly, to more leaders who are for America for a change.


55 posted on 09/20/2017 12:20:25 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
in the end, they learned the hard way that the business always has the ultimate trump card of ceasing operations.

See Hostess Bakeries.

-PJ

56 posted on 09/20/2017 12:35:39 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Hint, hint... Indiana, Central Indiana to be specific.

Coastals about faint when they see what they can afford here. When they see they can afford a small mansion for the cost of a 1 bedroom hovel on the coasts. You mean I can have a steam room, a sauna and a 4 car garage? Yes you can. You mean state taxes are pretty low and the state is debt free? Uhuh. You mean crime is relatively low outside of the urban core? Yep. How are the schools? Stay out of indy proper and they are world class. Is there anything to do? Lots and lots from sports to concerts to culture to the dipshit farmers markets you people want to lakefront living. Oh I want waterfront. Can I afford that? Well, give up on the 6500 sq foot home then and scale it back to sub 5k and yes. Technology? Fiber in my neighborhood tops out at 2 gigabit. Traffic and commutes? Massive investment in local roads and bridges, and roundabouts create a ballet in traffic (They rock). What is not to like? Winter... we get an average of about 25 inches of snow every winter.


57 posted on 09/20/2017 1:26:24 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools. Go Trump!)
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To: dragnet2

Probably closer to 50k after taxes, even in CA. The effective tax rate for a family of four at 60k federal with standard deductions, personal exemptions and child tax credits are around 5%, or 3k, or less at 60k.


58 posted on 09/20/2017 1:54:09 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: MilesVeritatis

Brought to you by the DEMOCRATS.
Jimmy Carter wouldn’t even talk to them, the majority voted for him...once.


59 posted on 09/20/2017 3:01:05 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: MilesVeritatis

Great article. I just shared it on FB & urge everyone to do the same. My liberal relatives need to read this.


60 posted on 09/20/2017 3:32:35 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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