The Federal Reserve is setting America up for economic disaster

The Hill ^ | September 18, 2017 | Armstrong Williams

[Toddsterpatriot]

What is the 'Multiplier Effect'

Thanks for the link

The size of the multiplier effect depends on the percentage of deposits that banks are required to hold as reserves.

You may notice that none of the links agrees with your claim that they hold a percentage of loans as a reserve.

They all seem to agree with my claim that they hold a percentage of deposits as a reserve.

[Toddsterpatriot]

To calculate the effect of the multiplier effect on the money supply, start with the amount banks initially take in through deposits, and divide this by the reserve ratio. If, for example, the reserve requirement is 20%, for every $100 a customer deposits into a bank, $20 must be kept in reserve. However, the remaining $80 can be loaned out to other bank customers.

Thanks again for the link.

The $80 loan is fully funded by the $100 deposit.

Now if you find a decent source that shows the $100 deposit funds a $1000 loan, I'd love to see it.

Good night.

[Garth Tater]

"Only the loans where 90% of the loan's value is created out thin are subject to the reserve requirement.

Commercial Banks don't create money out of thin air.

Only central banks can do that. "

No, not according to the article I just linked for you at Investorpedia. From the article:

"This cycle [the money multilier effect] continues as more people deposit money and more banks continue lending it until finally the $100 initially deposited creates a total of $500 ($100/0.2) in deposits. This creation of deposits is the multiplier effect."

[Garth Tater]

You are hopeless Todd. I’m not going to waste any more time on your education. Have a nice day.

[mulligan]

Has been for doing just that for 100 years.

[wiggen]

so in one paragraph since he owns assets he’s done well in this post crash economy. In the next paragraph taxes are gumming up the works and stopping him from making even more money.
Lets see workers can’t afford homes on the west coast even making 100k a year but then we circle back to the assets of this entrepreneur doing well in this economy which means its the value of his asset these impoverished 100k a year slaves can’t afford.
I’ve been in finance for 38 years. Heres what i learned.
As much as the capitalistic system benefits us it takes away. The profit motive guides all. That means the less paid to workers the greater the profit. You can’t have both.
Look at insurance companies. They stand between you and your doctor. They don’t stand there for nothing do they?
No they make a profit. And they’re always looking to increase that profit. All that means is higher costs for everyone on both sides (medical malpractice insurance, right??)
So we can’t have it both ways. We can have unfettered capitalism and eventually employment will go to 25% of the population. Right, 75% not working. Or we can have more people gumming up the works and working.
Its a tough problem that may never be solved.

[Architect of Avalon]

How do you define we?

Is we everyone who lives in the country, with those against abortion and those for abortion indiscriminately lumped together, with all being subjected to the same judgment?

[wiggen]

low rates encourage speculation in housing so yes the fed is very much part of the problem. Somewhat higher rates, nothing to discourage a true buyer but enough to make a speculator think twice would slow down price growth.

[SubMareener]

As in the time of Lot....

Lot, his wife, and his two randy daughters were removed from Sodom before the Judgement. His wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

So “the daily”, the five wise virgins, the “victors” from the seven churches, all will be taken out of this world before the Judgement really begins.

Romans 10
8 But what does it say?
“The word is near you,
in your mouth and in your heart”
(that is, the word of faith that we preach),
9 for, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved.
11 For the scripture says, “No one who believes in him will be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, enriching all who call upon him.
13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

http://www.usccb.org/bible/romans/10

Revelation 2
7 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the victor I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God.”’
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11 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
The victor shall not be harmed by the second death.”’
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17 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the victor I shall give some of the hidden manna; I shall also give a white amulet upon which
is inscribed a new name, which no one knows except the one who receives it.”’
- - - - -
24 But I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not uphold this teaching and
know nothing of the so-called deep secrets of Satan: on you I will place no further burden,
25 except that you must hold fast to what you have until I come.
26 “’”To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
27 He will rule them with an iron rod. Like clay vessels will they be smashed,
28 just as I received authority from my Father. And to him I will give the morning star.
29 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
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Revelation 3
4 However, you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments;
they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy.
5 “’”The victor will thus be dressed in white, and I will never erase his name
from the book of life but will acknowledge his name in the presence of my
Father and of his angels.
6 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
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7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia, write this:
“‘The holy one, the true,
who holds the key of David,
who opens and no one shall close,
who closes and no one shall open,
says this:
8 “‘“I know your works (behold, I have left an open door before you, which no one can close).
You have limited strength, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make those of the assembly of Satan who claim to be Jews and are not,
but are lying, behold I will make them come and fall prostrate at your feet,
and they will realize that I love you.
10 Because you have kept my message of endurance, I will keep you safe in the time of trial
that is going to come to the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
11 I am coming quickly. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one may take your crown.
12 “‘“The victor I will make into a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never leave it again.
On him I will inscribe the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem,
which comes down out of heaven from my God, as well as my new name.
13 “‘“Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
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20 “’”Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and
opens the door, [then] I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me.
21 I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself
first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.

22 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”
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* [2:7] Victor: referring to any Christian individual who holds fast to the faith
and does God’s will in the face of persecution. The tree of life that is in the
garden of God: this is a reference to the tree in the primeval paradise (Gn 2:9);
cf. Rev 22:2, 14, 19. The decree excluding humanity from the tree of life has
been revoked by Christ.

http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/2
http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/3

[SaveFerris]

Yeah, I have heard at least that amount. Don’t know what the real number is. I know some claimed upwards of 600T.

[crusher2013]

Add the 17th to that as well.

We would be more like the United States again and not the United State.

[Theophilus]

The nation that has killed 60 million babies is under judgement from YHWH. He is done with the United States of America.

Our crimes are our punishment! Amen.

[Toddsterpatriot]

"This cycle [the money multilier effect] continues as more people deposit money and more banks continue lending it until finally the $100 initially deposited creates a total of $500 ($100/0.2) in deposits. This creation of deposits is the multiplier effect."

This is absolutely how the multiplier effect works. You'll notice, but ignore, the fact that each bank needs a deposit to fund the smaller loan that they make.

The loans are always smaller, not larger, than the deposit, because they are not creating money out of thin air, as you, and others, mistakenly claim.

Banks can, and do, create money out of deposits.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course not. Carry on.

[DBG8489]

I read that entire exchange and I must say that you are a better man than I.

I would have stopped talking to him after one or two replies.

Cognitive dissonance...

[eyeamok]

It’s about time you gave up, he just refuses to believe the truth.

The part he refuses to understand is that the Fed gives Member Banks, Instant Credit at Face Value for the Promissary Note you signed for your loan, that is when the Money is actually created out of thin air. Now the member bank attaches their interest and fees to earn a profit by selling you something they never actually owned in the first place.

We used to call this Usury.

[PGR88]

I would like someone to explain to me how central banks get money for “quantitative easing.”

The Federal Reserve now sits on $4.5 trillion of purchased Government and agency bonds. World-wide, central bank “balance sheets” are north of $15 Trillion. The Japanese Central Bank is the largest shareholder in 90% of the Nikkei index companies. The ECB buys so many bonds, many German government bonds pay NEGATIVE interest rates. The list of central bank perversity is endless.

Is this not sheer money-printing, designed to manipulate markets and interest rates, support governments, with the consequence of simply making member banks and the rich even richer?

[Garth Tater]

"It’s about time you gave up, he just refuses to believe the truth."

Do you think it might be his job not to understand? There are paid govt workers out there whose job it is to disrupt or lead discussions away from areas they would prefer we didn't discuss.

[Toddsterpatriot]

The part he refuses to understand is that the Fed gives Member Banks, Instant Credit at Face Value for the Promissary Note you signed for your loan, that is when the Money is actually created out of thin air. Now the member bank attaches their interest and fees to earn a profit by selling you something they never actually owned in the first place

Nice! The argument seems to have shifted.

It's gone from, banks don't need money to make loans, they create it from thin air, and that's not fair........

To.....

Banks DO need money to make loans, but they get it all from the Fed, and that's not fair.......

Unfortunately, reality........

https://www.fdic.gov/bank/statistical/stats/2017jun/industry.pdf

The above link shows that banks currently have $10.8 trillion in domestic deposits and $8.7 trillion in loans

This screen shot shows that banks are currently borrowing a whopping $216 million from the Fed.
That's MILLION with an "M".

Kind of tough to make over $8.7 trillion in loans with only $216 million.

[Toddsterpatriot]

I would like someone to explain to me how central banks get money for “quantitative easing.”

Central Banks create money out of thin air. They can then use this money to be the lender of last resort in a financial panic.

That's why central banks were created.

Is this not sheer money-printing, designed to manipulate markets and interest rates, support governments,

Yes. Absolutely.