Posted on 09/01/2017 10:26:41 AM PDT by varyouga
(SALT LAKE CITY) — A Utah police officer's body camera video shows a hospital nurse being handcuffed after refusing to draw blood on an unconscious patient.
The video taken at University Hospital in Salt Lake City shows nurse Alex Wubbels calmly explaining to Salt Lake detective Jeff Payne that she couldn't draw blood on a patient who had been injured in a car accident. She told the officer a patient was required to give consent for a blood sample or be under arrest. Otherwise, she said police needed a warrant.
The dispute ended with Payne telling the nurse she was under arrest and physically moving her out of the hospital while she screamed.
The Salt Lake Tribune reports Wubbels was not charged. Police have started an internal investigation, but Payne remains on duty.
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Actually, the pattern being displayed today is absolutely classic troll behavior. Everyone else on the thread has figured out the cop was wrong for being such an ass, yet, he continues to reference very selective quotes from the article to attempt to rationalize his continued position. It is deliberate misdirection, as if we're supposed to take the words of a news article as holy writ. Won't answer direct questions such as my previous posts. Absolutely textbook trollish behavior.
At least the other knee-jerk supporters of the police state had the common sense to see there was a hole there and to stop digging.
“dispute ended with Payne saying, “We’re done, you’re under arrest” and physically moving her outside while she screamed.”
What’s with this screaming?
The double standards we have.
She’s resisting arrest and interfering in police duty.
When placed under arrest a professional who knows she is right cooperates and goes with the police knowing she is in the right.
It’s the crazy left that thinks one can ignore or fight police if they think police are wrong.
Nully, did you see this one?
Now that you mention cop haters, has the jack boot licker brigade rode out to defend ans alibi for the cop yet?
At the least.
EXACTLY!
This is a perfect example of incrementalism with a side helping of fearmongering and virtue signaling.
Various parties (who stand to gain monetarily and politically) have made DUI the worst sin in the universe. Whether it is or not can be debated but the point is that people allowed implied consent laws (a ludicrous contradiction), roadblocks, and lowering of BAC limits that are completely untethered from medical science.
Caught up in the mania are the cops. Their superiors beat up on them. The public beats up on them. The feds beat up on them and dangle overtime cash in front of their noses.
After a while, the cops are like Michael Vick’s dogs after a week of being caged up and not fed. They want collars. They want citations. They want a pat on the head for another - wait for it - ‘alcohol related’ accident report even if the only person impaired was a passenger in a car that got hit.
But training idiots can only produce one thing: a trained idiot.
No, He should be fired and prosecuted, but he will probably be given a raise and promoted.
I agree. I don’t like it either.
You are the one that made it sound like he was just doing it to “protect” another officer. It does not matter why he was asking, or who told him to.
The only thing that matters is what the law is and what hospital policy is. The nurse is not LEO, she works for the hospital.
“The qualification is who she was talking to. You know this. You are being absurd.”
No.
Either one can draw blood from an unconscious person or one can’t.
I say one can. You say one can.
According to this article, she said one can’t.
Are we right, or is the nurse right?
Drawing the blood is a fully separate issue than using it in court.
The nurse is not the unconscious person’s lawyer.
She does not have power of attorney over the “patient”.
She is not an officer of the court.
She has zero authority to act as an officer of the law under such circumstances.
She was not even going to draw the blood, the phlebotomist policeman was going to. She had zero authority to stop him from doing it. He respected her enough to not do it over her unlawful obstruction and acted in a civilized manner in arresting her so that the issue could be resolved in a civilized legal manner.
If it is wrong for the blood to be drawn or used, it is the police blood -drawing officer who is putting himself or herself on the line and is subject to subsequent legal issues, ie whether it is admissible or not, whether the police phlebotomist was right or wrong etc...
It is not a nurse’s responsibility or authority to interfere.
Do you understand this?
Agree or disagree, do you at least understand what I just said?
How does jackboot leather taste?
No. I saw that. Saw it in earlier posts, and was surprised that none of the few supporters of this unhinged officer picked up on it to give them an out to still support one of the "good guys" (i.e., anyone that wears a badge, but noone else). I seriously doubt the officer in question was aware the patient was also an 'officer'. Might have been, but I doubt it. There is no indication I've seen one way or the other on that.
“When placed under arrest a professional who knows she is right cooperates and goes with the police knowing she is in the right.”
And go to JAIL despite overwhelming evidence and witnesses at the scene proving you are right? This hardworking honest lady was right to get emotional over being taken to jail for no good reason. Imagine you’ve never been around that and suddenly get shoved into a car on the way to cage...
You insane or just a cop doing sh***y PR?
Wow. Talk about doubling down on idiocy. I'm stunned.
What you don’t understand is that the unconscious man had not yet been arrested nor had he given his consent. The officer had not yet read the man his rights, and could not do so while he was unconscious.
A police officer does not have the authority to order a citizen to perform a medical procedure on another citizen against that citizen’s will or without that citizen’s authorization.
All the cop had to do was produce a warrant.
“And go to JAIL despite overwhelming evidence and witnesses at the scene proving you are right?”
Two things, one she was not right, but that is a separate issue.
Two, yes, it is called civilized rule of law.
Black lives matter and other communist groups and even mainstream Dems think it is optional to obey police depending on ones feelings or sense of righteousness.
You agree with this in your comment.
All you are doing is saying you do not believe in our legal system.
Little Eichmann is the product of Gestapo parenting.
And prosecute the cop.
“A police officer does not have the authority to order a citizen to perform a medical procedure on another citizen against that citizen’s will or without that citizen’s authorization.”
Debatable, but not the issue.
The nurse was never asked to do the blood draw. The police officer was a phlebotomist and would do the draw.
If the draw was illegal it would be later thrown out of court.
Nurse was simply interfering.
She’s lucky she wasn’t charged.
“Two things, one she was not right, but that is a separate issue.”
In what way? She had DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of the law and showed it to him. Also had a supervisor confirm by phone. And the LAW made that pig go rabid.
And the mayor and PD has apologized foe this fiasco. So you are WRONG!
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