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Trump Says ‘Talking Is Not The Answer’ In North Korea
The Daily Caller News Foundation ^ | 08/30/2017 | Ryan Pickrell

Posted on 08/30/2017 10:23:30 AM PDT by ForYourChildren

President Donald Trump tweeted Wednesday that dialogue is not the answer to the North Korean nuclear threat.

The Trump administration has been pursuing a policy of “maximum pressure and engagement,” which involves strong economic sanctions and diplomatic pressure to bring North Korea to the negotiating table.

Trump, however, signaled Wednesday that there is no point in talking to North Korea.

"The U.S. has been talking to North Korea, and paying them extortion money, for 25 years. Talking is not the answer!"

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 30, 2017

Last week, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on Aug. 22 that North Korea has been showing restraint, potentially creating a path to dialogue. The North launched three short-range ballistic missiles Saturday, and then fired an intermediate-range ballistic missile over Japan into the Pacific Ocean Tuesday.

It is unclear what Trump intends to do, but he has made it clear that “all options are on the table,” including the military option. Secretary of Defense James Mattis previously said that war in Korea would be “tragic on an unbelievable scale,” describing the conflict as “catastrophic.” He and other administration officials have repeatedly advocated for a diplomatic solution to the North Korea problem, but it appears the president’s patience has worn thin.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: extortion; nkextortion; nkoutofcontrol; northkorea; talk; trump; trumpnk; trumptweet
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1 posted on 08/30/2017 10:23:30 AM PDT by ForYourChildren
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To: ForYourChildren

"The U.S. has been talking to North Korea, and paying them extortion money, for 25 years."


says POTUS DJT

2 posted on 08/30/2017 10:24:02 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: ForYourChildren

President Trump has as one of his available options, the termination of all payment of extortion money to North Korea. It does not change their behavior if they do get paid, so try NOT paying them for a while.

Maybe the Russian Federation will take up the slack. Then they shall not have sufficient funds to interfere in OUR elections.

They may interfere in North Korean elections instead.

North Korean missiles have the capability to reach quite a distance into the Russian Federation.


3 posted on 08/30/2017 10:29:42 AM PDT by alloysteel (Guilty until proven innocent, while denying defense, justice, mercy or any appeal. No pardon, ever.)
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To: ForYourChildren

If Trump attacks unannounced, how many other countries with skin in the game will take part? The more there are the more it scares China. I could even see India and the P.I. going on record with deployments. Viet Nam?


4 posted on 08/30/2017 10:30:38 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: ForYourChildren

Okay, Mr. President. I agree with your summary of events.
Now most of us (including Krazy-Kim) are patiently waiting to see if you actually will use force against North Korea, or individually against Kim. I hope that you do, and leave a deep impression of American might.

If the White House is still issuing ultimatums by next March or April, you, Mr. Trump will be accused of using Obama’s same approach of the ever-moving Red Lines. Best case scenario is President Trump convinces Japan to ‘permanently remove’ Kim as a threat. Either China or South Korea will fill this power vaccuum for the time being. Japan has to means to do it. But do they now have the will after being forced to remain passive observers for so long?


5 posted on 08/30/2017 10:33:33 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: ForYourChildren

Constitution question. Can the President launch a non-retaliatory strike against North Korea without a vote by Congress? That is, can the President take us into war without a declaration by Congress?


6 posted on 08/30/2017 10:33:42 AM PDT by oincobx
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To: ForYourChildren

What in the hell is NK thinking they are going to accomplish with this?

An actual nuclear attack would leave him destroyed.

He has a life of luxury, why would he jeopardize that?


7 posted on 08/30/2017 10:34:31 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: oincobx

“That is, can the President take us into war without a declaration by Congress?”

Google the War Powers Act.


8 posted on 08/30/2017 10:35:10 AM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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To: lee martell
"Best case scenario is President Trump convinces Japan to ‘permanently remove’ Kim as a threat."

I agree, but it isn't going to happen because it would violate Japan's own constitution which forbids Japan from initiating armed conflict.

9 posted on 08/30/2017 10:39:42 AM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I read some speculation that you should ignore all our threats until we ship dependents home.


10 posted on 08/30/2017 10:39:44 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: ForYourChildren

North Korea shooting a missile over a sovereign Japan is an act of war...give them one.


11 posted on 08/30/2017 10:42:18 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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To: TheStickman

The constitutionality of the War Powers Act has never been tested. But even if you accept the WPA, do you think that the President should get a declaration before committing the American people to war in Korea.


12 posted on 08/30/2017 10:44:15 AM PDT by oincobx
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To: oincobx

I would note that Obama in Libya and Clinton in the former Serbia initiated offensive military action without complying with the War Powers Act.


13 posted on 08/30/2017 10:52:11 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: 60Gunner

If a nation lobs a missile directly over your sovereign territory, as the NORKs did over Japan yesterday, can they still be said to be the ones “initiating” armed conflict?


14 posted on 08/30/2017 10:56:21 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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To: oincobx

We are still at war with North Korea at this time. So in the even fighting breaks out does there need to be any additional authority?


15 posted on 08/30/2017 10:56:48 AM PDT by CyLyte
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To: oincobx

“But even if you accept the WPA, do you think that the President should get a declaration before committing the American people to war in Korea.”

Depends on how things develop. If the Norks attack the US, President Trump will certainly defend the nation & begin operations ASAP as he should. I’m fairly certain he will then go to Congress to ask for a declaration of war against NK much in the way Roosevelt did after Pearl Harbor.

To start a pre-emptive war in NK I expect he will have to get congressional approval for doing so unless there is a plan in place to end the Norks nuclear capability in 90 days or less.


16 posted on 08/30/2017 11:03:59 AM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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To: ForYourChildren

“.. to the shores of Tripoli.”

In 1786, Jefferson and Adams met in London with the ambassador from Tripoli, asking why the U.S. was being targeted, since it had never harmed Muslims.

The Ambassador answered us,” Jefferson wrote, “that it was written in their Quran that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners.

In May 1801, when Jefferson said no to Tripoli’s latest demands, the pasha declared war. Morocco and Algiers soon joined him, with only Tunis remaining at peace.

Jefferson Didn’t Mess Around

Jefferson sent three of his most modern frigates and a schooner to join Swedish ships to blockade Tripoli’s harbor and attack any pirates they found elsewhere.

The first victory on the high seas came in August, demonstrating the American sailors’ and Marines’ superior training.

Other U.S. ships over the next four years reinforced the Navy and Marines as the Navy was rebuilt, but the pirates didn’t cave.

In April 1805, nine Marines and 900 Arabs marched 500 miles to capture Derne, planting the U.S. flag for the first time on foreign soil. (The event is memorialized in the Marines’ Hymn reference to “the shores of Tripoli”).

The other Barbary states agreed to stop, with no compensation.

Ten years later, after the Barbary nations returned to their old ways, Jefferson’s protege, President James Madison, sent Decatur to lead a victory that was permanent.

[ http://www.investors.com/news/management/leaders-and-success/thomas-jefferson-sent-the-navy-marines-to-defeat-muslim-terrorists/ ]


17 posted on 08/30/2017 11:08:10 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: oincobx

We are officially at war with NK now...only a Armistice ends the Korean War on Jul 27, 1953.

Note: The North Korean army declared invalid the armistice agreement that ended the Korean War in 1953 (3/11/13)


18 posted on 08/30/2017 11:09:26 AM PDT by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: oincobx
There is more than one way to wage war.

China Recommits To U.N. Sanctions Against North Korea…

Posted on  by 

Things are going swimmingly, strategically, seemingly according to plan.  When the full measure of history allows time to review, observers will note the strategic victory was achieved on August 5th, 2017; that’s the original date when Russia and China agreed to the U.N. Security Council sanctions against North Korea.  That first, historic, Russia and China U.N. Security Council vote against North Korea came as a result of eight months of assembled economic leverage created by President Donald Trump.

As a result of this ongoing strategy, every time North Korea’s Kim Jong-un takes an action, President Trump hits China’s Xi Jinping with an additional economic squeeze.  As Beijing feels the squeeze, they tell Kim Jong-un to act. Every time Kim Jong-un acts, President Trump squeezes Beijing with more economic pressure.  Wash-Rinse-Repeat.

Communist Beijing has boxed themselves into this inescapable cycle. The only way out of the box is to concede and lay the DPRK defeat at the feet of Kim Jong-un.  The conceding will evidence itself when Beijing inevitably calls for ‘Six Party Talks‘.  Today:

(Via Associated Press) Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi says his country will “fully and completely” abide by U.N. Security Council sanctions resolutions on North Korea.

Wang told reporters Wednesday China would work with other members of the council on how best to react to North Korea’s launch of a ballistic missile over Japan on Tuesday.

He says, “We will make a necessary response.”

While acknowledging long-standing ties between the Pyongyang and Beijing, Wang says China was compelled to act to guard against further instability. China accounts for around 90 percent of North Korea’s foreign trade and has provided limited diplomatic cover for its actions, despite growing increasingly frustrated at continued provocations.

The latest sanctions hit Chinese businesses hard by way of a ban on North Korean exports of coal, iron, lead and seafood products, together worth over $1 billion for a country with total exports valued at just $3 billion last year. (link)

REMINDER Looking at the geopolitical landscape, and the known and identified calendar of upcoming events, we discover a likely Trump Administration timeline to achieve their goal:

♦We know President Trump is planning to attend an ASEAN meeting in November.

♦We also know that President Trump is planning to visit China later this year.  Most likely that trip will be part of the ASEAN engagement.

So it makes sense that President Trump would like to conclude the outline of the economic diplomacy by the time of the ASEAN and China visit – such that: A.) President Trump can outline the agreement and stroke the panda’s ego on his turf; and B.) President Xi Jinping can announce his magnanimous victory on behalf of great Panda’s incredible achievement in providing great security to the world.

::::smiling:::::

Yup.



Meanwhile, just prior to the ASEAN/China meetup, President Trump’s secret weapon, Ivanka, who happens to be the most beloved American in China, is deployed to India to capture the world’s attention with Prime Minister Narendra Modi hugs.

Prime Minister Modi is the “Trump Card” in the geopolitical economic gamesmanship.  China is currently at odds with India’s rise to economic power; Bollywood is very hot in the U.S. right now; and a warm Modi – Trump economic relationship is a foil against China’s heavy-handed extortion of their economic partners.

Those who doubt Trump’s strategic economic approach with India only need to look at how the U.S. has given Pakistan the responsibility to bring tribal extremists in Afghanistan to the table of negotiation.  China and Pakistan are allied via massive Chinese investment, while the U.S. has now allied in common principle with India who is invested in Afghanistan.

Whoopsie sounds like the makings of a fork in China’s One Road/One Belt plan.

Strategery.

::::still smiling::::

Again, President Trump holds all the economic cards.  Just look at what he did to neuter Russia’s economy when everyone was paying attention to the bouncing laser dot on the wall.  The American and Western media missed it, but President Trump moved the entire geopolitical world via a strategic energy platform.

Sip this next paragraph slowly to enjoy:

From OPEC (Saudi Summit) to the EU and Baltic States (Poland Pre-G20); to North African energy development via President Macron (Libya and Mali); to walking away from the Paris Climate agreement; to discussions with Theresa May on a bilateral trade deal; to massive shipments of coal to U.K. and France; to closing a deal to deliver Ireland massive amounts of Texas LNG; to our own internal U.S. energy production policy with pipelines, Oil, Coal and Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) etc.

President Trump used all of those “allied” relationships to lower global energy prices.

The bigger part of the ‘big-missed-picture‘ was how that energy strategy impacted the economies of adversaries like Russia and Iran and simultaneously supported the larger America-First economic and geopolitical space.

Obviously President Trump thinks seriously long-term, and really BIG picture.

President Trump thinks so far out in front of his opposition and detractors they genuinely cannot fathom the sequential logic behind the day-to-day granular activity.  Thinking this way is what caught China off-guard.  They did not anticipate the scope of the geopolitical economic squeeze –OUTLINED HERE– that President Trump could initiate.

Yes, in large part this is what makes President Trump so enjoyable to watch politically. Just like the American media, our international adversaries and competitors have no reference point for a U.S. President that is entirely independent from influence.  They continue to underestimate his effectiveness and ability to impact them economically.

::::Yup, smiling::::

So we can safely predict that sometime in late fall, most likely before the ASEAN visit timeline in November, President Trump and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson will be engaged in a new round of Six Party Talks, initiated by request of the increasingly desperate China.

China will structure the DPRK talking points, the “terms”, to set up the meetings.  This is part of how China is allowed to save face and sets up the magnanimous Panda narrative.

The six party talks will essentially be a modern Marshall Plan of sorts for the DPRK and Southeast Asia.  Geopolitical allies Japan, South Korea, and The United States -vs- China, Russia and North Korea.  All six nations will enter into a set of negotiations publicly soldas engaging in diplomacy, deconflicting Southeast Asia, and reducing tension.

Eventually President Trump (or T-Rex) will sit on the Beijing patio complimenting Xi Jinping (or deputy), and Russian, Japanese and South Korean emissaries.

Meanwhile, in the conference room, Secretary Wilbur Ross, USTR Robert Lighthizer and U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will play the role of Willy Wonka handing out the golden economic tickets to the representatives who all line up with their requests.

President Trump’s golf partner, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, will already have his ticket, but he’ll play along.  The real negotiations that matter will be between the U.S. Russia and China.  Russia’s angle will be negotiating for higher regional energy prices to get their GDP growing again.  China’s priority will be economic, with tough trade discussion as they negotiate to retain as much of the $320 billion U.S. trade surplus as possible and retain their one-road/one-belt initiative.

The end result will be Kim Jong-un giving up his nuclear ambitions for good; a group of nations promising economic assistance (size TBD), and some official enterprise of ASEAN partners enters as an agency to oversee nuclear compliance under carefully negotiated terms.  Big Panda (Xi Jinping) promises the world to be the magnanimous insurance policy therein.  Everything between now and that outcome is optically chaff and countermeasures.

That’s essentially the way the economic and national security future looks today.

Then again, it might get brighter.

After all, this is President Donald Trump we’re talking about.


The U.S. has been talking to North Korea, and paying them extortion money, for 25 years. Talking is not the answer!

  — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 30, 2017


 


19 posted on 08/30/2017 11:10:43 AM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: ForYourChildren
Ignore North Korea and deal directly with China (Who increased trade with North Korea by over 37% this year). Yes, the Pres. is doing this, but any type of military response to NK is very risky due to the close proximity of major cities in SK. Pretty much a Mexican standoff situation.
20 posted on 08/30/2017 11:16:40 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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