Posted on 08/22/2017 11:38:08 PM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect
he U.S. Navy will relieve the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.
An official statement from the Navy regarding the relief of Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin was expected late Tuesday night. The decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.
The 7th Fleet has been involved in three collisions since January, the last two of which have resulted in the deaths of 17 sailors.
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I had to explain to someone recently about “contrail spraying”.
The person, a very intelligent person in my estimation, had never heard of it, and asked me about it.
As a former jet mechanic, I know there would have to be some kind of fillable subsystem to produce the “poisonous streams of vapor” and therefore, maintenance personnel would have to know about it, as would airplane designers, pilots, crews, et al.
I had to say something to the effect of “Number one, if there were a conspiracy, how would all these people be in on it and keep their tongue? Second, how many of these people had loved ones and families of their own they would willingly allow to be poisoned?”
It saddened me to have to spell it out, and then I explained to him how contrails were formed. This was an intelligent person who probably would have noodled it out on his own, but...sigh.
I see the same thing with this. “Okay. Assume the NAV systems are hacked. How does it get executed in the path of another ship without someone timing it in real time who has access to ship’s itinerary, course, speed, etc.
You get answers that display just how strong the conspiracist mindset is.
Two ships.
Two incidents.
It hints rather strongly at something very wrong with operations and training.
IRT your 106. It is thoughtful analysis. My guess at the time of the accident was to go after the squadron commander. Maybe they had a recent change of command at that level, so they couldn’t ding that person. Another option is the squadron commander has a major paper trail and articulated major complaints, but fell on deaf ears..
People are reacting to the facts that both the Marines and Navy have had a safety stand down this month on the heels of a string of serious and four deadly crashes. They know something is seriously wrong and as the specifics of each case begin to emerge the hysteria will correspondingly die down.
I'm sorry to say, it's much worse than that.
They knew full well who/what he was/is and they love him for it.
Here's that photo.
I would not call it "close to the stern", I'd call it "somebody asleep at the helm."
Just a lubber's uneducated opinion, of course.
One thing, and one thing only, I really admired about the old Soviet Union -- they called it a "vertical stroke".
Back in the day, when you had screw ups like this, and not just one, but several, they would perform a "vertical stroke", which would relieve from command not just the unit leaders, but everyone up the chain of command, up to and including their top military commander.
Not just one, ALL GONE.
Then let everyone in the service contemplate whether they are truly serious about defending their nation, and if not, let them resign.
Seriously.
Has anyone noticed that these last several crashes (four,
if my memory serves me) all involve Aegis equipped vessels?
Thanks for a most interesting post.
Note my comments above.
Speculations by people hoping to get a grip on the unknown.
But lacking evidence to the contrary, just as you say, first guess should be some failure of command.
Vertical stroke, gets everybody's attention.
There is definitely the potential he’s much worse than that.
At a minimum, he does an amazing impression.....
Those days have changed or have you missed that by not practicing what you preach, biotch
Gotta be on a bridge to have an opinion or use a GPS according to Robe
[I would not call it “close to the stern”]
Neither would I. ;)
Could it be the Navy needs a lot less social crusading and high priced biofuel and a lot more paint, chipping, scraping, general maintenance and training?
We had side cleaners working from the day we pulled into home port till the day before pulling out. Ships Bosun kept lots of it I don't remember a shortage LOL. You're right the social engineering and environmental fuels etc needs to be ended. As for more paint, scraping, general maintenance, and training? It takes a congress willing to alot funding for that purpose. The 0-6 and below level of the chain of command can put in request, approve training request junior officers and NCO put in. But when obtaining this is obstructed at The Pentagon level what can they do?
Could it be the Navy needs a lot less social crusading and high priced biofuel and a lot more paint, chipping, scraping, general maintenance and training?
We had side cleaners working from the day we pulled into home port till the day before pulling out. Ships Bosun kept lots of it I don't remember a shortage LOL. You're right the social engineering and environmental fuels etc needs to be ended. As for more paint, scraping, general maintenance, and training? It takes a congress willing to alot funding for that purpose. The 0-6 and below level of the chain of command can put in request, approve training request junior officers and NCO put in. But when obtaining this is obstructed at The Pentagon level what can they do?
In August 1993 my ship I was assigned to in the late 70’s was operating on three of six generators, No Radar, and had DFM pumping issues for the boilers fuel. In March 1994 when it returned from deployment it had a boiler room explosion at the pier so severe it had to be towed Cold Iron up to Portsmouth. U.S. New and World Report had an article on the conditions but not the explosion which was about two weeks after return. Read the Below Decks Section. https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/docs/940224-cr.htm From my previous professional knowledge I can understand why there was no radar with only three of six generators. It was because no Air Conditioning Units could be put on line. They were the single largest power draw and there were ten of them and in the summer at sea at least six or seven needed to be on line.
In August 1993 my ship I was assigned to in the late 70’s was operating on three of six generators, No Radar, and had DFM pumping issues for the boilers fuel. In March 1994 when it returned from deployment it had a boiler room explosion at the pier so severe it had to be towed Cold Iron up to Portsmouth. U.S. New and World Report had an article on the conditions but not the explosion which was about two weeks after return. Read the Below Decks Section. https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/docs/940224-cr.htm From my previous professional knowledge I can understand why there was no radar with only three of six generators. It was because no Air Conditioning Units could be put on line. They were the single largest power draw and there were ten of them and in the summer at sea at least six or seven needed to be on line.
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