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The U.S. Navy's Greatest Enemy Might Be Exhaustion
The National Interest ^ | August 21, 2017 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 08/22/2017 11:24:02 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: lurk
Shoot, the Marines who island-hopped the Pacific 75 years ago had it easy compared to this generation.

Most of the battles fought by the Marines in WW2 were fairly quick. Tarawa, while bloody, was over in three days. Saipan was three weeks. Iwo Jima was five weeks. Most Marines fought in only 2-3 battles. The whole war was over in little more than three and a half years.

61 posted on 08/22/2017 12:38:28 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: rlmorel

I love the sound of a needle gun in the morning....


62 posted on 08/22/2017 12:39:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dblshot

If one must have good sense or knowledge to post this joint would have winds echoing down the street blowing tumbleweeds.


63 posted on 08/22/2017 12:39:42 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com)
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To: rlmorel; central_va

“Needle Guns” and “dink, dink, dink”

Nothing compared to flight operations...

The LHA I was on, I berthed directly below the flight deck. Nothing but a sheet of steel and rafters between the Harriers, Helos and me.


64 posted on 08/22/2017 12:39:57 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: arrogantsob
"Don’t they just sit in deck chairs and drink Daiquiris?"

Only when it doesn't get in the way of the laps in the pool or the bowling alley on the ship!

65 posted on 08/22/2017 12:40:28 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Fascinating video you linked to - Collision clearly at 51 secs . Based upon Alnic's course and collision impact on McCain's port side, the McCain was obviously crossing the traffic separation scheme from North to South - meaning that contrary to normal rules of the road, McCain was the burdened vessel and had a duty to keep clear of traffic in the routine flow.

Further, this is basically open ocean rather than a confined strait, and McCain had ample maneuvering room to stay clear of other vessels.

Once again, poorly trained and derelict officers. And this is not exhaustion. This is like an adult going out and playing in rush hour traffic.

66 posted on 08/22/2017 12:40:39 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: rlmorel; SkyPilot; Roman_War_Criminal; Travis McGee; Diogenesis; null and void
[The cultural rot can’t help but infect the military]



All according to plan. The damage he caused with the enabling of Hillary, Bill, Pelosi, DWS, and the rest of the DNC along with the Uniparty Republicans can not be overstated.
67 posted on 08/22/2017 12:41:04 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: nickcarraway
>>But ships take time to build. What the Navy can do immediately is to bring retired Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate back into the fleet as a stopgap. “You can use things like the Perrys with some missiles to do the show-the-flag missions until we can get the new frigate up and you could probably get eight ships right there,” Hendrix said.

The entire LCS-class idea (Crappy Little Ships) was a bad decision from the start. Small, unarmored, defenseless, lacking any punch, and crewed by an insanely small 40-man crew, the LCS is the Edsel of the Navy. The Navy promised to build 52 of them, then 42, then 32, now...? They rethought the plan and said they would "up-armor" them into frigates. Won't work. The 456 P-3s the Navy had in the 80s are being replaced by about 70 P-8s, meaning both coasts will be unprepared for ASW war. Obama did a lot to get rid of forward-thinking Navy officers and replace them with "social justice" warriors who spend time giving all-hands diversity lectures instead of practicing warfare.

68 posted on 08/22/2017 12:43:17 PM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: central_va

When he had time off my son just wanted to sleep. And is in no way lazy like his pop.


69 posted on 08/22/2017 12:45:17 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com)
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To: pabianice

Oh don’t throw cold water on the military contractor lobbyists hopes for some quick cash. They have the morals of ambulance chasers.


70 posted on 08/22/2017 12:46:39 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: submarinerswife
Stop running the Navy like a touchy-feely corporation and I bet anything that it turns back around. Exhaustion my ass.

The Navy world wide is at an all time since pre-WW1 low as to number of ships of all types. When a ship is taken out of rotation another must cover. Even Lifers have seen their entire 20 years in a Navy under equipped, undermanned, and underfunded even if they have 20 years in.

9/11 and the carrier readiness fiasco taught Congress and Presidents nothing.They fired two Captains over issues caused by lack of funds and moved on addressing & fixing nothing. You must have funding to have readiness. BTW when the ships are in port sailors often attend schools then afterward when the ship does work ups for pre-deployment are ready.

With that said the PC social experiments have no doubt also done damage and should all be ended for the good of all services and national security.

71 posted on 08/22/2017 12:51:30 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: rlmorel

I have not given up but this will take years since every aspect of society is in control of the Left. It is not going to be quick or painless.

One of the biggest problems I see is that people just don’t understand the time aspect and expect things to get changed immediately.

Even after seeing all the good Trump has done there are voices here ignoring it and demanding more. Also ignored is the fact that, barring a national emergency, the Congress is designed to move very slowly particularly the Senate.


72 posted on 08/22/2017 12:51:36 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com)
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To: rlmorel; Travis McGee
Something has to give, and right now, it’s training,”

Well, look at the video someone else posted Alnic Track - Collision with McCain clearly at 51 secs

Given the port side collision, McCain drove across the traffic separation scheme going North to South. And by the way, because McCain was crossing a traffic separation scheme it surrendered the right of way it would normally have under a crossing situation.

That is like driving across an 8-lane highway at rush hour without stopping to check traffic in both directions. A collision was almost a guarantee.

73 posted on 08/22/2017 1:00:26 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mariner; central_va; arrogantsob

My rack on my first deployment was directly underneath the flight deck under the wires (a total and complete rookie mistake!) I also worked the night shift, so all day I would hear in my sleep:

...ssssssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH (starting out as a low hiss, getting louder with approaching plane)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (plane hitting the deck)

...eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww... (the arresting cable playing out)

....short silence....(as they unhook the plane)

...hhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhh... (cable being retracted back into place, slithering across the deck above me)

...click...click...click...click (Cable pulling taut, making clicking noise as it goes back and forth across metal strips that hold it off the deck)

Rinse...repeat!

I take some pride in that, because I came to the conclusion if I could sleep through flight ops like that all day long, there is nothing I couldn’t sleep through...:)

LOL, I used to hear the E-2 Hawkeyes coming in, and after they landed, they sounded like gigantic metallic blue-bottle flies lumbering around as they taxied on the flight deck above.

Next cruise after that I got a middle bunk on a passageway, but that turned out to be even more annoying due to people walking back and forth in the business of flight ops going from point A to point B.

But I figure I had it good. I didn’t have to sleep in a wet or dusty hole next to a tank or humvee!!!


74 posted on 08/22/2017 1:01:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: Mariner

We did 4-8s 30 days then 5 days in a liberty port and then 30 days 4-8s and repeat. As I recall it took a couple of weeks for full on zombie effect. Living on coffee.

Gunboats weren’t as bad. 2 on 8 off while on patrol and then equal time off patrol. So if we had a 24 hour patrol we got 24 off. Not enough watchstanding for zombie effect.


75 posted on 08/22/2017 1:06:59 PM PDT by Seruzawa (FABOL - F*** A Bunch Of Liberals)
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To: nickcarraway

I think we can agree that Navy duty at sea is very tiring AND that this would be a really lousy excuse for this collision.

It is the Captain’s job to make sure his crew his up to snuff. If there was human error here, the Captain is among those at fault. So it makes me wonder if we are choosing our very best officers as captains. Who (what board or officer) selected Sanchez as capitain and what guidance were they (the selectors) operating under with respect to diversity, among other things? (I know that Army selection boards do receive diversity guidance so I suspect the Navy is the same.)


76 posted on 08/22/2017 1:09:07 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: Seruzawa

Port and Starboard 8-8 will create the full on zombie effect in 2-3 days.

And we ALL know that was the desired state for the crew.

When you don’t know what day it is, what the date is or whether it’s daytime or nightime for weeks on end is something most people will never know.


77 posted on 08/22/2017 1:12:05 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: arrogantsob

I agree with all those things.

I admit to being impatient, but I am not yelling “why isn’t it fixed yet” because I know that years of implanting and destruction doesn’t get fixed overnight. I am willing to give them that time.

I fear that if we get into a real hostile situation before we have a chance to remedy these things, that a lot of people, men and women, black and white, homosexual and heterosexual, are going to get killed because of it.

I don’t want to give the impression that the blame should be shouldered primarily by the individuals, though in a given incident they are indeed culpable. If the Navy wants to allow women on combat ships or homosexuals/transgenders on combat ships, I cannot blame them for doing what the Navy allows. Of course they are going to do it if allowed.

I simply don’t think it should have been allowed, and the adults at the top should never, ever have capitulated and allowed it. Then they compound it with all the extraneous crap that goes along with that.

But, what do I know?


78 posted on 08/22/2017 1:12:34 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: SaveFerris

Yep. I agree much of this is intentional.


79 posted on 08/22/2017 1:13:12 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: rlmorel

Absolutely. He might as well had a suicide vest strapped to himself while using a box cutter to slit the throats of flight attendants, passengers and pilots.

He was a stealth 9/11 jihadi inside the gates enabled and still enabled by idiots.


80 posted on 08/22/2017 1:15:09 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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