Posted on 08/22/2017 11:24:02 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Most of the battles fought by the Marines in WW2 were fairly quick. Tarawa, while bloody, was over in three days. Saipan was three weeks. Iwo Jima was five weeks. Most Marines fought in only 2-3 battles. The whole war was over in little more than three and a half years.
I love the sound of a needle gun in the morning....
If one must have good sense or knowledge to post this joint would have winds echoing down the street blowing tumbleweeds.
“Needle Guns” and “dink, dink, dink”
Nothing compared to flight operations...
The LHA I was on, I berthed directly below the flight deck. Nothing but a sheet of steel and rafters between the Harriers, Helos and me.
Only when it doesn't get in the way of the laps in the pool or the bowling alley on the ship!
Further, this is basically open ocean rather than a confined strait, and McCain had ample maneuvering room to stay clear of other vessels.
Once again, poorly trained and derelict officers. And this is not exhaustion. This is like an adult going out and playing in rush hour traffic.
The entire LCS-class idea (Crappy Little Ships) was a bad decision from the start. Small, unarmored, defenseless, lacking any punch, and crewed by an insanely small 40-man crew, the LCS is the Edsel of the Navy. The Navy promised to build 52 of them, then 42, then 32, now...? They rethought the plan and said they would "up-armor" them into frigates. Won't work. The 456 P-3s the Navy had in the 80s are being replaced by about 70 P-8s, meaning both coasts will be unprepared for ASW war. Obama did a lot to get rid of forward-thinking Navy officers and replace them with "social justice" warriors who spend time giving all-hands diversity lectures instead of practicing warfare.
When he had time off my son just wanted to sleep. And is in no way lazy like his pop.
Oh don’t throw cold water on the military contractor lobbyists hopes for some quick cash. They have the morals of ambulance chasers.
The Navy world wide is at an all time since pre-WW1 low as to number of ships of all types. When a ship is taken out of rotation another must cover. Even Lifers have seen their entire 20 years in a Navy under equipped, undermanned, and underfunded even if they have 20 years in.
9/11 and the carrier readiness fiasco taught Congress and Presidents nothing.They fired two Captains over issues caused by lack of funds and moved on addressing & fixing nothing. You must have funding to have readiness. BTW when the ships are in port sailors often attend schools then afterward when the ship does work ups for pre-deployment are ready.
With that said the PC social experiments have no doubt also done damage and should all be ended for the good of all services and national security.
I have not given up but this will take years since every aspect of society is in control of the Left. It is not going to be quick or painless.
One of the biggest problems I see is that people just don’t understand the time aspect and expect things to get changed immediately.
Even after seeing all the good Trump has done there are voices here ignoring it and demanding more. Also ignored is the fact that, barring a national emergency, the Congress is designed to move very slowly particularly the Senate.
Well, look at the video someone else posted Alnic Track - Collision with McCain clearly at 51 secs
Given the port side collision, McCain drove across the traffic separation scheme going North to South. And by the way, because McCain was crossing a traffic separation scheme it surrendered the right of way it would normally have under a crossing situation.
That is like driving across an 8-lane highway at rush hour without stopping to check traffic in both directions. A collision was almost a guarantee.
My rack on my first deployment was directly underneath the flight deck under the wires (a total and complete rookie mistake!) I also worked the night shift, so all day I would hear in my sleep:
...ssssssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH (starting out as a low hiss, getting louder with approaching plane)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (plane hitting the deck)
...eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww... (the arresting cable playing out)
....short silence....(as they unhook the plane)
...hhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhh... (cable being retracted back into place, slithering across the deck above me)
...click...click...click...click (Cable pulling taut, making clicking noise as it goes back and forth across metal strips that hold it off the deck)
Rinse...repeat!
I take some pride in that, because I came to the conclusion if I could sleep through flight ops like that all day long, there is nothing I couldn’t sleep through...:)
LOL, I used to hear the E-2 Hawkeyes coming in, and after they landed, they sounded like gigantic metallic blue-bottle flies lumbering around as they taxied on the flight deck above.
Next cruise after that I got a middle bunk on a passageway, but that turned out to be even more annoying due to people walking back and forth in the business of flight ops going from point A to point B.
But I figure I had it good. I didn’t have to sleep in a wet or dusty hole next to a tank or humvee!!!
We did 4-8s 30 days then 5 days in a liberty port and then 30 days 4-8s and repeat. As I recall it took a couple of weeks for full on zombie effect. Living on coffee.
Gunboats weren’t as bad. 2 on 8 off while on patrol and then equal time off patrol. So if we had a 24 hour patrol we got 24 off. Not enough watchstanding for zombie effect.
I think we can agree that Navy duty at sea is very tiring AND that this would be a really lousy excuse for this collision.
It is the Captain’s job to make sure his crew his up to snuff. If there was human error here, the Captain is among those at fault. So it makes me wonder if we are choosing our very best officers as captains. Who (what board or officer) selected Sanchez as capitain and what guidance were they (the selectors) operating under with respect to diversity, among other things? (I know that Army selection boards do receive diversity guidance so I suspect the Navy is the same.)
Port and Starboard 8-8 will create the full on zombie effect in 2-3 days.
And we ALL know that was the desired state for the crew.
When you don’t know what day it is, what the date is or whether it’s daytime or nightime for weeks on end is something most people will never know.
I agree with all those things.
I admit to being impatient, but I am not yelling “why isn’t it fixed yet” because I know that years of implanting and destruction doesn’t get fixed overnight. I am willing to give them that time.
I fear that if we get into a real hostile situation before we have a chance to remedy these things, that a lot of people, men and women, black and white, homosexual and heterosexual, are going to get killed because of it.
I don’t want to give the impression that the blame should be shouldered primarily by the individuals, though in a given incident they are indeed culpable. If the Navy wants to allow women on combat ships or homosexuals/transgenders on combat ships, I cannot blame them for doing what the Navy allows. Of course they are going to do it if allowed.
I simply don’t think it should have been allowed, and the adults at the top should never, ever have capitulated and allowed it. Then they compound it with all the extraneous crap that goes along with that.
But, what do I know?
Yep. I agree much of this is intentional.
Absolutely. He might as well had a suicide vest strapped to himself while using a box cutter to slit the throats of flight attendants, passengers and pilots.
He was a stealth 9/11 jihadi inside the gates enabled and still enabled by idiots.
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