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To: al_c
Anybody here actually trying to justify what this guy did needs to take a long look in the mirror. Each side is bad but that doesn't mean we should excuse what he did. Can we not condemn both of them?
38 posted on 08/13/2017 6:42:24 PM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: WatchOutForSnakes

Yes ... we can and should condemn both sides.


41 posted on 08/13/2017 6:44:25 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
"Can we not condemn both of them? "

Not without some serious facts and context.

47 posted on 08/13/2017 6:50:40 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
Anybody here actually trying to justify what this guy did needs to take a long look in the mirror.

Too many things are not yet known to conclude that. Such as, what had the guy experienced in the several minutes before he arrived at that crowded area? Had he been threatened, cursed, things thrown at his car as he drove down the street well before coming to the crowd?

How many baseball bats and other club carriers had he noticed along the street? There seemed to be many bats and clubs at the area where he ran into the other vehicles and the crowd.

He might well have had reasons building for several minutes to cause him to fear that he was amidst an armed mob intent on causing him serious harm, so he tried to escape in his car as the only escape route he had.

We need to know what had happened for several minutes before he encountered the mob at the congested area.

53 posted on 08/13/2017 6:57:15 PM PDT by Will88
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To: WatchOutForSnakes

IF he’s guilty I hope he fries. But that doesn’t make the Antifas any better.


57 posted on 08/13/2017 7:01:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: WatchOutForSnakes

Nobody’s trying to excuse what he did, the question is what exactly he did. There’s a question of whether the current media characterization of his action is accurate. That remains to be resolved in the investigation. What we have now is the physical facts and a motive the media ascribed to them. We have no factual evidence that media characterization is true. So when you start talking about “what he did”, you may be involved in the legal definition of a begged question, namely assuming a fact that’s not in evidence.

Whether the deceased was killed while he was backing up isn’t necessarily relevant if his motive for driving into the crowd was malignant. In that event, it can be argued that it was a foreseeable consequence of his action.

Bottom line: let’s see if the facts match current beliefs, we definitely don’t have them at the moment.


78 posted on 08/13/2017 7:25:04 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (So Long Obie)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
Anybody here actually trying to justify what this guy did

I wan't there. But I will say: SELF DEFENSE IS NOT A CRIME.

There are several hundred videos of thugs beating on cars from past protests.I'm not sure what I would do if I made a wrong turn and a crowd started attacking me and my car? Accelerate and try to get away??? Not saying it was self defense, but it's a plausible answer.

87 posted on 08/13/2017 7:37:46 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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