Posted on 08/11/2017 5:48:57 PM PDT by SJackson
The lengths that some people will go through to lie to themselves and others so they can continue sodomizing each other.
I read the whole Torah carefully, and gay male sex is definitely and specifically prohibited.
Otoh, lesbian sex is not mentioned.
In other words, another clergyman defending his own predilections. How will the Jewish race ever “increase and multiply and fill the earth” if they follow this gay Pied Piper?
“Is it not cruel to condemn an individual from doing that which his biological and genetic makeup demand that he do?”
A murderer might argue the same thing. The Torah is an instruction manual, e.g., Ten Commandments, not Ten Suggestions. I would expect that any exceptions to something so emphatically and repeatedly forbidden would have been made clear in the text, not suddenly discovered some 4000 years later.
Bump for Later.
The logic on adultery should be exactly the same. This rabbi seems to say that if you choose to fool around even though you are not attracted to anyone outside your marriage, that is a sin - but if you really really want to have sex with a person you are not married to, then it’s okay.
it truly is amazing how some men cannot keep their urges under control, and cannot help putting his penis up where the feces comes out, and then state how normal they are!!!
Truly sick some people are.
Is Shlomo a Homo?
When I read that I thought Jeff Dahmer. Yes, that argument for homosexuality as an inate human impulse would apply to a number of impulses. Including murder.
Rabbi Steven Greenberg, who refers to himself as “the first openly gay Orthodox rabbi”.
Rabbi Steven Greenberg, who refers to himself as “the first openly gay Orthodox rabbi”.
That's true, there's no direct prohibition so it's less controversial. There are Rabbinic concerns. Particularly regarding long term relationships which interfere with procreation.
Just to be clear, not the author but the Rabbis he's criticizing. Yes, that logic would seem to legitimize any human behaivior stemming from a human "impulse". Which effectively delegitimizes not just the Torah, but most moral decisions and much of western legal systems.
Proverbs 14:12 and 16:25 specifically apply here:
"There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."
I am an Evangelical Zionist but make this personal observation: There’s as many homosexuals in Judaism today as there are ants at a typical church picnic
Today’s left has dismissed the idea that there is virtue in resisting superficial impulses. As I see it, they are missing one of the fundamental core concepts in the Bible/Torah. It’s not terribly important spiritually if you are a vegetarian Jew who abstains from pork. Similarly, it’s not morally significant if you have no sex drive and avoid adultery. Neither form of restraint asks anything of the individual; both people are still putting themselves first.
A “cafeteria Christian”, or the same type of pick-and-choose Jew, one who follows scripture only when it’s what they want anyways, is doing what they would do with no religious guidance at all. Whatever spiritual beliefs they have are not affecting their lives. In the real world, we are all asked (commanded) to do many things, and for each of us that includes hard choices where divine guidance conflicts with our individual desires. The specifics vary among individuals, but all of us have urges that go against what we are told by the law and the prophets.
I know someone very well who has stolen extremely expensive items and exceptionally cheap items many in his past. He gets a kick out of pocketing that “free” candy bar or the flash drive with sensitive proprietary information. He says it’s a daily struggle not to take things that are not being watched, but as far as I know he’s successfully gone several years without even one theft. That’s an accomplishment for him, while for me it would mean nothing. “Do not steal” - he follows that because he now understands that it is a commandment, and that matters.
Whether the issue is stealing, anger, lust, homosexuality, or something else, it is good for us to allow God’s word to guide our lives, especially when that leads to a different path than we would choose on our own. Who would have guessed that God would know best?
I’m not Jewish, but it seems even clearer for them that sex between men is prohibited. Christians that want to make up their own morality simply fit those parts of the Old Testament into “the law” that Jesus changed.
Riskin’s always been a lefty. I think he’s an “animal righter,” too.
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