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You are hopeless. Just give it up already. You posted images of the LaJolla without an SDV attached in 2013 to try to make your point (that if there weren’t SDV’s showing in those photos then there must never be SDV’s attached - a logical fallacy). Sure, in that post you addressed images that rx had posted but you ALSO posted your own images to try to make your fallacious point.

The Advanced Seal Delivery System was abandoned, but I never referred to ASDS. I referred to a Seal Delivery Vehicle, which has been in use for a long time and still is in use by subs that have been outfitted to house an SDV - including LaJolla. Just as I said.

One big difference between ASDS and in-use SDV’s is that the ASDS allows the SEALs to be sheltered during transport, which would be necessary in especially cold environments and when the transport time is long. Neither of those was the case here. They knew exactly when this “crash” was going to happen (military communications channels were reserved in advance for this area from 3-4pm; the LaJolla was assigned to this area starting at 2pm IIRC).

You said, “A real patriot would give the book away for free.” Seems like you’re suggesting that if JimRob was a real patriot we wouldn’t be having Freepathons. Or is it morally wrong for people to be compensated after they put massive amounts of time, money, and their families’ health and well-being on the line to get information that nobody else will get?

Presidential directives give “cover story indemnity” to those involved in ordered crimes. If Barack Obama ordered this operation (in a directive hidden from the public because of so-called “national security”, then the pilot could fly a perfectly good plane into the ocean and get away with it (as happened). The NTSB, FAA, and US military could lie, destroy records against retention periods, and alter records and get away with it (as happened). Witnesses could lie to federal investigators and get away with it (as happened). The fact that all these people and agencies broke laws fearlessly - and without any legal consequence - tells us EXACTLY WHO ordered this operation. There is only one person who can do that, and his name is Barack Hussein Obama I. The very guy that Loretta Fuddy illegally used her seal to commit election fraud and perjury for.

There is no statute that describes Onaka’s seal; there is only the statute that describes the OFFICIAL DOH SEAL - the very statute that you cited. But Onaka’s seal does not match that description/definition, as I’ve said - what, 3 times in just the past day? The seal that Onaka uses is not 2 1/4” in diameter and it has a dot instead of a star separating the upper and lower banks of words. It CANNOT be the official DOH seal. And it also can’t be the official DOH seal because when the DOH seal is used to verify documents (the only purpose authorized for the official embossed DOH seal) it is to be CLOSE TO THE DIRECTOR’S SIGNATURE. That is all in the very statute you cited. Apparently your reading comprehension is poor.

I will post the whole thing here so everybody can see the whole thing. Note that a) and b) refer to the OFFICIAL SEAL, which is the embossed seal. c) refers only to the SEAL, which is the image itself. Also note the use of the word “shall” - “SHALL be embossed near the signature of the director of health to verify...”. In legal terms “shall” is MANDATORY. If it was not an absolute must, the word used would be “may”. The legal synonym for “shall” is “must”. Note that what is at the director’s discretion is WHICH DOCUMENTS will be verified by the official seal. At some point in the past vital records were excluded from those verified by the OFFICIAL SEAL and are instead verified by the seal of the registrar - the official custodian of the records. The official seal stopped being used on certified vital records when the director’s signature stopped being used on the certifications along with the registrar’s signature. This statute makes it clear why that is: because it is mandatory for the official embossed seal to be next to the director’s signature.

This is found at http://health.hawaii.gov/opppd/files/2013/06/prac_proc.pdf:

§11-1-3
11-4
§11-1-2 Seal of the department of health.
a) The official seal of the department of health
shall be circular in shape, two and one-fourth inches
in diameter. At the curve on the top portion there
shall be the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and at the
curve on the bottom portion there shall be the words
“STATE OF HAWAII.” At the curve on each side portion
shall be a star. In the center of the seal shall be
the Caduceus, a winged rod entwined with two serpents,
which has long been recognized as a universal symbol
of medicine. The Caduceus shall be encircled by an
indentation, which shall separate it from the words
“DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and “STATE OF HAWAII.” For
illustrative purposes, a black and white drawing of
the official seal is attached at the end of this
section as Exhibit “A,” titled “Seal of the Department
of Health,” and dated November 1, 1988, and made a
part of this section.

(b) The official seal of the department of
health shall be embossed near the signature of the
director of health to verify commissions of
appointment of deputy directors and notaries public,
certificates, and other formal official documents on
which the official seal has been customarily used or
is appropriate to be used, as the director of health
may determine on a case-by-case basis.

(c) The seal of the department of health may
also be reproduced, in either an enlarged or a reduced
size, on official stationery, reports, certificates,
equipment, supplies, uniform insignia, and other
objects and items to be used or produced by the
department of health, but the reproduction and use of
the seal shall always be subject to the exclusive
control of the director of health.
[Eff 2/14/2005 ] (Auth: HRS §§321-9, 91-2) (Imp:
HRS §§321-9, 91-2)

“You posted images of the LaJolla without an SDV attached in 2013 to try to make your point (that if there weren’t SDV’s showing in those photos then there must never be SDV’s attached - a logical fallacy)”

That was never my point and you know it. Since the La Jolla did not have one attached in early 2013 or 2014, I asked you for evidence one was attached in December, 2013. Proof which you have not provided.

Have you got the deck logs from the La Jolla?

“The Advanced Seal Delivery System was abandoned, but I never referred to ASDS. I referred to a Seal Delivery Vehicle, which has been in use for a long time and still is in use by subs that have been outfitted to house an SDV - including LaJolla. Just as I said.”

Again look at post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3428362/replies?c=257

Why is there a picture of the ASDS vehicle mislabeled as a Swimmer Delivery Vehicle and with measurements of 50’ x 8’ x 6’?

That vehicle could not possible have been on the La Jolla in December, 2013 as it was destroyed by fire in 2008 and never replaced.

Is that image in your fan fiction book?

“Seems like you’re suggesting that if JimRob was a real patriot we wouldn’t be having Freepathons. Or is it morally wrong for people to be compensated after they put massive amounts of time, money, and their families’ health and well-being on the line to get information that nobody else will get?”

Last I checked Mr. Robinson wasn’t trying to sell a fan fiction novel on the grounds that it proves a grand government conspiracy greater than the fake moon landing.

“There is no statute that describes Onaka’s seal; there is only the statute that describes the OFFICIAL DOH SEAL “

So you agree under your interpretation Dr. Onaka can certify birth certificates with any type of seal he wants instead of the Department of Health seal. And that makes perfect sense