Flake extends his attacks on Trump and the GOP — all the way back to the dawn of birtherism

WaPo ^ | August 6, 2017 | Avi Selk

[Seizethecarp]

But Sunday, as he promoted his book on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Flake took his assault on Trumpism back years further — all the way to the pre-dawn of Trump’s political rise, to “when the birtherism thing was going on,” as Flake put it to host Chuck Todd.

“Some people did stand up, but not enough,” the senator said. “That was particularly ugly.”

“Did you do enough?” Todd asked.

Flake smiled. “On that, I think I did.”

Flake was a congressman in 2011, when Trump flirted with a presidential run against President Barack Obama.

The current president did so “spouting all sorts of Four-Pinocchio innuendo that had long ago been debunked,” as The Washington Post wrote at the time.

Trump wrote a letter to the editor in the New York Times, for example, advancing a host of bogus evidence against Obama’s birth in the United States and, thus, his legitimacy to occupy the White House.

[4Zoltan]

“Nevertheless, I DO say that Fuddy’s death was pretty convenient and potentially tied up a loose end.”

I consider it more coincidental than conspiratorial.

If I wanted to take her out (kill or disappear into witness protection), I would just have her not show up for work on a Monday morning and have Keith Yamamoto (he was with her on the plane) go to her house and say he found her dead in her bed.

That would be a conspiracy of maybe a dozen people. Whereas I would not crash a plane into the ocean with 9 people on board, involve the US Coast Guard, Maui PD, and the US Navy.

And if I had spirited her away to some hideout, I would not have an open casket funeral for her.

But that’s just me.

[SaveFerris]

[ If Fuddy was meant to die, the aircraft may have been tampered with while it stood unattended on that insecure small island airstrip, and they were ALL meant to die. ]

Yeah.

[SaveFerris]

[I consider it more coincidental than conspiratorial.]

It’s certainly possible; no doubt about it.

Just way too many other convenient deaths. Though most of them surround the Clintons. But it was sure nice of Donald Young to get murdered (well it IS Chicago) before the campaign and Granny to drop dead 2 days before the election.

[4Zoltan]

“Granny to drop dead 2 days before the election.”

Wasn’t she in her eighties and with cancer?

Would it have been suspicious if she died two days after the election?

Here’s the thing, I see the same nonsense happening to Trump. For example:

“Ukranian businessman with links to Donald Trump and Russia dies in unexplained circumstances”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ukranian-businesman-russia-and-donald-trump-dies-michael-cohen-michael-flynn-donald-trump-vladimir-a7612866.html

“Eight months, eight prominent Russians dead”

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/europe/dead-russians/index.html

“Mikhail Lesin is ninth Russian to drop dead during Trump-Russia scandal; second with head bashed in”

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/mikhail-lesin-is-ninth-russian-to-drop-dead-during-trump-russia-scandal-second-with-head-bashed-in/1899/

[SaveFerris]

O.K.

Sure, whatever.

[Would it have been suspicious if she died two days after the election?]

Being as she was the only woman in the Western World to know anything about the Usurper, you know it isn’t about 2 days before or after.

[SaveFerris]

About the Usurper’s birth and early days, I meant.

Oh there were references to a woman who knew SAD, etc.

[4Zoltan]

All’s I’m saying is an 86 year old woman with cancer dying on any particular day just doesn’t strike me as suspicious.

[SaveFerris]

She broke her leg or hip. Don’t remember the cancer though maybe she did have it.

Obama said he’d be going immediately. Because that break had him concerned. Not concerned enough to jump on board the 757 immediately, though.

I was like “Thank God - we don’t have to hear him for a week”.

Then he stuck around for like another week.

That’s back when I was watching the Nightly Pravda.

[rx]

center stub was saw cut while under water by frogmen

Please don't presume to put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

4Zoltan, you twice used examples from different accidents and made presumptions that attempted to suggest your derivations told us things that were entirely incorrect things concerning the Fuddy Crash. Don't bother using Cessna 208 pictures to try to prove a point about the 208B, especially when the NTSB and media Fuddy Crash pictures are already quite clear.

So here's the nickel tour for any late-comers (BTW, if you would like to read some of the mortar between these bricks that follow, I would direct you to my post #130 of this thread, particularly as it relates to Fuddy's work on a BHO LFBC.)

There are copious pictures of the activity at the plane while no one was supposedly around, yet we see an SDV to which the USCG referred as "a rescue boat" (subimages added) In the official narrative there were not purported to be any boats at the scene before all actors plane occupants had exited the water.
We later see a diver transport momentarily appearing at the plane after all the occupants had swum about 85 yards southwest of it,

and a different man-made inflatable at the engine, and a sequence of pictures that show, as they worked on the plane, the plane steadily rose out of the water.

We have diver equipment being placed on the wing that could not have been part of a chance accident's placement.

We see sophisticated electronics in the water

and on the passengers' persons

We have a Fuddy whom the NTSB said was in an infant life jacket with one CO2 unexpended beside the plane when she was actually wearing an adult life jacket with both CO2 cartridges expended. If she later really had on a life jacket the NTSB described, it would have been entirely appropriate for someone to recognize the possibly murderous implications of her life jacket being switched. (We do know, however, that what the NTSB had written in their report was false.) We know that not only did no police or FBI conduct any murder investigation, neither of those groups did any investigation whatsoever, beyond letting three passengers make statements. Neither the police nor FBI asked the passengers any questions. (Those would have merely been responsive to our FOIA and UIPA requests.)

The representation to the media was that the plane ditched a mile from shore, when only a false picture claiming to be the "aerial view of crash site" was used to depict that.

The picture used was actually a picture of a USCG Dolpin rescue helicopter that had just hoisted what was claimed to be Fuddy back to the Kalaupapa airport. That crew declared Fuddy's condition to be "critical" even though forty minutes earlier she had been left in the water as "obviously dead" according to the USCG swimmer's protocol. So somehow the USCG rescue was perhaps memorializing how they brought Fuddy back from the dead in that picture.

We have an NTSB that also said "the airplane landed within open ocean water" when it actually landing (at the arrow tip) an 1/8th of a mile from shore near to where the water was only 1 meter deep. The plane was actually only 13.5 plane-lengths from shore.

The NTSB said the pilot landed the plane, "in a flat or slightly nose up attitude" when it actually landed nose low and in a 20-degree left bank. (Shown below is the last video prior to ditching and all manner of mayhem breaking loose.)

The NTSB did not bother using any ink to represent that the pilot changed his story about the altitude at which he said a "bang" and "catastrophic engine failure" occurred. The pilot had told the FAA that that event occurred "at 300' as he was rounding the turn for Honolulu, while he later said it was "500' AGL" (even though he was not over land when it happnened). (Picture shows a time still 25 seconds prior to the end of the take-off video (prior to a claimed bang.)

Two of the passengers each independently with identical wording made representations that the plane was at 1000-1500'. The video coincidently shows the passengers' representations was correct and the pilot's was false. To be been at either 300' or 500' AGL rounding the turn for Honolulu would require starting a turn immediately upon rotation (as he lifted the plane off the ground), which is a particularly unsafe maneuver that would be considered "reckless and dangerous" pilot of a commercial commuter airline. Somehow, the pilot avoided any certificate action based on that action, which, according to the official narrative, resulted in someone's death. Such a thing does not normally happen.

The NTSB made not only misconstrued the evidence, but also ignored the evidence, were in possession of evidence that contradicted what their report said, they also came to provably false conclusions, and perhaps worst of all, they falsified the evidence in multiple ways.

After that, there's no way in the world the NTSB's representations about this event can be trusted in any way without factual verification.

Ultimately, we know that Fuddy was extracted from the scenario and replaced by one of the divers, who was tall and spindly (compared to Fuddy's 5'2", 200-pound frame.

The shoes and other features of the two were noticeably different.

Thus, in the replacement, one can see the motive for all the other strange features of what the various players did regarding this hoax.

[Fantasywriter]

‘Coincidental,’ is the oldest Obot trick in the book. They isolate each of the anomalies surrounding Obama, his records, his lies, etc., and say, ‘It’s just a coincidence.’

Iow, they pretend that every ‘odd,’ incident or record, etc., re to Obama is the ONLY such oddity. Then they smugly write that single item off as a mere ‘coincidence.’

The next time an anomalous issue re Obama comes up, Obots blank out all the rest, and pretend the new item is the ONLY odd thing re to Obama.

If permitted to get away with it, Obots will play this, ‘It’s only this one, single, isolated anomaly, and it’s a sheer coincidence,’ game forever. I’ve seen it happen.

If there actually was only one weird issue with Obama, or maybe two at the outside, possibly this ‘coincidental,’ idea would hold up.

As matters stand, it is the embodiment of dishonesty. If all the anomalies, irregularities, gaps, questionable records, lies and other issues re Obama were compiled in a single list, it would take a moron to consider them all ‘coincidental.’ A certified moron.

The dishonesty of Obots is their principle feature. It has to be. You cannot devote a sizable chunk of your life to defending a pathological liar without becoming fundamentally dishonest yourself.

[Mears]

Not this stuff again... !

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[SaveFerris]

I agree with ya. I’m also well-aware that FR became infested with people running interference for Obama, especially in the 2008-2016 time frame. Of course, Hillary became the victim, in 2015 or so......

I like how Obama was a victim of his BC number being later than 2 girls born the day after him. FILO, they said. Darn, Obama the victim of circumstances again.

O.K.

I like how Obama accidentally signed his SS reg card the day AFTER it was mailed. Darn, Obama the victim of circumstances again.

I like how the century conveniently fell off Obama’s SS reg card. Darn, Obama the victim of circumstances again.

I say he has a falsified paper trail. Some of it, anyways. If people don’t like that, well, guess that’s just too bad.

[SaveFerris]

[Iow, they pretend that every ‘odd,’ incident or record, etc., re to Obama is the ONLY such oddity. Then they smugly write that single item off as a mere ‘coincidence.’]

Think of the amazing coincidence of how Seth Rich was murdered (oops “victim of botched robbery” and then the Wikileaks info stops on that chain and JA all but openly states that it was SR - he could have been more clear without stating his name.

Wiped, you know, like with a cloth.

[4Zoltan]

The Canadian crash and the Hawaiian crash were both Cessna 208B Grand Caravans with the same type engine PT6A-114A.

Now it is up to you to show that they would have had different types of engine mounts.

[Fantasywriter]

That’s a very good list. I had multiple Obots explain to me that the date stamp on Obama’s draft registration ‘just happened,’ to malfunction on Obama alone. The villainous date stamp victimized the innocent Obama!

Back in the day, multiple Obots explained to me that a “fat fingered clerk,” mistyped Obama’s SS#. Poor innocent Obama—victimized again!

Then it came out that Obama couldn’t pass e-verify; his SS# was not one that had been officially assigned to him.

Must be just another coincidence...

Then there’s the ‘coincidence,’ that entailed his own literary agent listing Obama as born in Kenya. Such coincidences happen all the time! Just reflect on how many Americans have been listed as foreign-born by their own agents. That is a whopping huge list with exactly one name on it.

Coincidence, coincidence...what a coincidence.

I could go on.

And on and on.

But we both know this game inside and out. The Obots convince themselves and no one else. The futility of it is incredible.

[Fantasywriter]

Assange identified Seth Rich as the leaker, no two ways about it. The odd thing there is the total lack of effort put into solving the case. Wheeler documented it. Not only did the police not investigate—they didn’t want Wheeler investigating eithet.

But of course, that’s a mere coincidence.

[Fantasywriter]

either

[SaveFerris]

That millions of people are deceived by the Nigerian Scam Artist, oops KENYAN/Indonesia/Tranny Scam Artist Obama astonishes me.

Small wonder Chelsea Clinton married the son of a felon convicted for basically participating in (essentially) a Nigerian Scam.

[SaveFerris]

Yeah, they don’t want it solved.

The Rich family is either incredibly-stupid, paid off or threatened. Or some combination above.

[Fantasywriter]

‘Small wonder Chelsea Clinton married the son of a felon convicted for basically participating in (essentially) a Nigerian Scam.’

Yes, he ran a mean hedge fund, didn’t he? And money intended for the destitute of Haiti paid for their wedding.

Vile.