Posted on 08/03/2017 3:47:34 AM PDT by servo1969
You're still full of crap.
I am thankful that leaky-diaper dumb-asses such as yourself will never be in charge of anything.
It hasn’t adjusted. The continual climbing of the S/P and Dow is based on performance being reported by companies beating Wall Street expectations for net income yet deeper down how they got to those numbers one must look. Did it equate to offshoring? Some companies yes. Did it equate to casting more cost of healthcare off the business into the employee thereby allowing majority shareholders to keep more of these record profits? Some companies yes.
The point is companies can only keep this charade up for so long until it all comes back to them collapsing. The markets responding in kind to the presidents WORDS of promises and hope (not yet any real legislative action) and companies propping up themselves through cost cutting (get rid of US employer) will only carry the day for so long. Wall Street will expect Trump to deliver legislatively on his promises otherwise it will “self adjust” aka implode
The proposition that all of this skullduggery has occurred only since Trump was elected is absurd on it’s very face. You mention nothing that wasn’t complained about long before Trump.
So if was occurring before Trump, which it obviously was, why didn’t we have such numbers then?
Damn! It's no wonder you rarely stray from behind the protective walls of the religion forum.
You're utterly incapable of anything beyond sanctimony and pontification...like constructing an actual argument or effectively refuting same.
I've already given my reasoning. Exactly what are you disagreeing with, Nancy?
We did, during the Obama years. Stagnant economy shedding jobs, interest rates on bank deposits nil and a weak dollar and economy propped up by the fed through the printing of paper not worth a dime via quantitative easing. It’s been here for quite some time with the majority of the blame sitting with Congress. It is now Trump’s economy, he must take his case to the people in front of cameras as Reagan did and drag congress with him. Less Government, balanced budget, actually a budget period, tax cuts as promised and legislation penalizing companies for taking jobs overseas as promised and killing Obamacare.
It’s Trumps job to speak to this everyday and place the pressure on Congress and less time torching social media.
Whjat reasoning was that? Yourself calling oppositio9n to Trump "treason"?
Prove it, and you may have something. Until then all you have is the accusation.
Imposition of martial law is not something to be entered into lightly.
You're still all butthurt over being called out for how you continually bend and break the rules of the religion forum?
That's a lie. One top of everything else (like you being a full-of-crap, pseudo-intelluectual dumb-ass) you are liar.
Meanwhile, other persons when posting to the "religion" forum portion of FR are restrained by those rules that you pay no heed to. For that, you deserve to have your ass kicked.
Ha! Enough with the projection thingy. Last time we tangled I soundly whipped your ass. You're just to stupid to realize it.
The name's not "Nancy". diaper-boy.
Your not worth the time and effort to explain just how and why martial law is not a good thing. I could lay it all out in some amount of detail, and like the swine you are you'd trample it, then attack.
Because ---you're still riding that butthurt you ended up last time you encountered me, here on this forum.
But here's a clue for you. Nobody much around here gives a flying damn about your own fubar opinions beyond signalling to others around here that you are not one that should be followed.
Did you miss post 55? Try reading the thread before posting questions that were already answered, half-wit.
And "Nancy" is perfectly appropriate for anyone posting "nobody cares what you think" like any other petulant tween. Not to mention your feminine presumption rules are "fair" when all the other "girls" agree with you.....
WTF are you talking about now?
I addressed that, already. Why are you so stupid that you didn't notice? Oh, wait -- I answered that one already.
I can only guess it's that "butthurt" thing you have going on. At this point it's perpetual.
Perhaps "nobody" was an exaggeration, but I don't see anyone coming to your support, saying "yup -- martial law -- the time has come".
What still stands is that yourself calling for martial law --at this juncture-- is beyond idiotic.
Huh?
I have no "feminine presumptions" about such things. That's all you with the projection thingy again.
If you don't like being reminded of the rules of the religion forum when you post on that portion of FR ---and BREAK the rules of that part of the forum, over and over again -- take it up with JimRob and the Religion Forum Moderator.
Meanwhile, we're not presently on that part of the forum, are we? That means means I don't have to put up with crap from you.
It seems to me that you can't stand having the examples of your own idiocy -- this time, yourself having called for "martial law" as way for Trump to deal with Congress and a handful of judges -- be pointed out as the idiocy that it is.
I have to admit, I do enjoy watching you flop around like a mackerel here in the big kids area.
If I’m so “butthurt,” why are YOU the one making all the typos in your stream of ad hominem responses? Clearly you are still unhinged by the drubbing I gave you last time until the Mod rode in to rescue you.
Your inability to understand the difference between gainsaying and refutation when “addressing” an item shows why you don’t come out here very often. I, on the other hand, have been doing so for twenty years.
You are living in a fantasy world.
Says the guy ranting like a drunk....
The crap that falls out of your over-stuffed diaper.
Grow up, punk.
Martial law is no joke. What it would do is strip citizenry of Constitutional protections. If Trump attempted it -- it would be the grounds for impeachment that the Lefty Losers are looking for.
As it is now, they're running around saying "impeach! impeach!" -- but have nothing on Trump other than they don't like him, and they don't like the people who voted Trump into office.
It should be painful to be a stupid as you are. If we ever meet face-to-face -- that may come to pass.
You should quite while you're behind. And go change your diaper. Maybe mommy will wipe your backside for you.
If it was me that had to change it -- I'd be sure to wear a pair of my old deckboots [like this] so as I'd not get any on me when I put one in your ass.
What is with you and the scatalogical fixation? Did Momma give you have a rough time with potty training?
Tell me, what kind of idiot can’t see the utter subversion of the organs of our government for the singular purpose of removing Trump. And what is the normal remedy for such subversion, idiot.
The absolute LAST thing I’m worried about is a face-to-face with you. You obviously don’t have the stones, Nancy-boy.
So much keeps falling out of your mouth, it was difficult to not notice.
Martial law is not "normal remedy" except among dictatorships.
Good. Keep thinking that.
So what's the normal remedy, idiot?
"Dictatorship" is not a dirty word unless it becomes permanent. There are no legitimate governments that completely eschew such temporary measures.
How about learning something about statecraft before opining on things beyond your media-cation.
I will keep thinking that. In the meantime, I will bask in the glorious schadenfreude of your impotence.
as if imposition of martial law is "normal" among representative republics (and democracies), calling me an idiot when doing so?
Like I said, you are living in a fantasy world.
If that were not true, then you'd be able to point to multiple instances were imposition of martial law was normal civil & political procedure -- without it being more normally tool of the despot. Even if the despot is a political party, an assembly of persons with mutual aims towards dictatorship be imposed on everyone who disagreed with themselves, rather than being only one sole individual. Iran, after the overthrow of the Shah could be pointed at as example of group-think dictatorship. It is a religiously oppressive dictatorial regime that presents pretense of being representative democracy, is it not?
Another recent example is as Chavez in Venezuela exemplifies in his successor Maduro having recently declared/imposed martial law. Chavez had only considered doing so to rid himself of political opposition.
How many examples are there of non-permanent dictatorship that were not overturned by yet more violence (or military coup dictatorship) if they did not go through the motions of having generally phony elections stage-managed to ensure that one political party held on to dictatorial powers?
Provide examples.
There must be plenty that could be pointed towards if much of anything you've had to say to me about this issue was actually true (instead of being pulled from the reeking contents of your diaper).
But you'll not supply the needfully plentiful examples ---because--- they do not exist, save but in most rarefied forms.
Instead, if past is prologue here (as I assume it will be) you'll focus on insulting me -- which you would not be allowed to continue to do if we were speaking face-to-face.
There are no legitimate governments who turn towards declaration of martial law for reason that an elected official faces stiff opposition.
The ends do not justify the means. As it stands right now, there is lack of legally justifiable reason for declaration of martial law, within the United States. Deal with it.
Go ahead, try to prove otherwise. Or else STFU, fool.
You truly must make a stronger case for it beyond your own mere declaration that judges and congress-critters are guilty of treason. Even if some of them are -- that still must be established beyond mere charge and accusation alone.
Statecraft? That word in recent decades has come to be more typically used synonymously with speaking of exercise of power ---internationally-- far more than domestically.
Yet if that word is used as defined by Merriam Webster, in what was once more predominately common usage;
at this time, declaration of martial law (on part of President Trump) would be about as 'artful' as attempting to dynamite the Constitution in order to save it.
Even IF it worked (which it would not, not at this time) that would still establish precedent within the U.S. that that's the way to go about solving political problems.
There is no guarantee that those friendly to, even dutifully respectful of the Constitution would in the future be elected to office of POTUS. Obama is prime example of how to disrespect the Constitution, paying lip service to it while abusing the Constitution to the maximum that he, and his legion of minions (like the rat-headed, rat-face Eric Holder) could get away with.
Let's not take the sledgehammers out of the tool shed, leaving them laying conveniently around. Not just yet.
It would be akin to leaving an assortment of large and small pry bars arranged near each door and window -- in addition to there being a 12 lb sledge hammer outside the house, near to each door.
Whatever.
You're just yet another internet dumbass chickenshit with a keyboard to hide behind.
All the years you've been here on FR -- that much has been plain as day. Truly a "paper" tiger you are. Always have been --can't back up your own crap (except with more loads of crap).
And now, you're still just riding a butthurt, trying to "get even" for having had your own foolishness and errors exposed by little 'ol me ---once again.
You hate me, don't you? 'Cuz you know I'm right, but cannot come to allow yourself be corrected -- by a 'Protestant'. The religious pride thingy, coupled with the rest of the egotism that you exhibit, serves no one well.
But go ahead, get in the last word. Insult away to save your "day".
You're so STOOPID you'll think that will change things. That's the real impotence around here. It's all UR-ine, right in your own diaper.
You are powerless to stop me from presenting rational rebuttal to your own ill-conceived, knee-jerk, emotionally-driven expressions of opinion, and will remain powerless into perpetuity.
Blah, blah, blah, Peru, dumbass.
You and your histrionics and third rate intellect is trying to get everything to hinge on my usage of the term “normal.” Sneak attacks aren’t normal, but the NORMAL response to them is counter attack.
Furthermore, you STILL haven’t given a viable response for how governments are supposed to deal with, for what all intents and purposes is a mutiny. Until you do that, you are just diverting attention away from your lack of a credible answer, or the integrity to admit it.
Your ignorance of history would be understandable, but WW2? What kind of government do you think the losers had after the war. Do you see any of the powers we conquered still under martial law?
As for “hate.” Who’s the one making impotent threats if they ever meet me face to face? Why? Because you know I’ve consistently presented solid refutations to your gratuitous assertions and all you’ve ever had is your pathetic version of “Nuh Uh,” to which you’ve now added beating your chest like an challenged chimp.
You are EXACTLY on the same intellectual and moral plateau as feminists. When someone challenges your comfortable presuppositions, you make preposterous accusations backed up by preposterous rationalizations for those accusations.
In short, not only are you ignorant, you’re evil. And the truly tragic part is you don’t know it, nor would you believe it, no matter how compelling the argument proving it.
You have nothing. You supplied nothing but one word -- Peru. There should be a long list, with actual examples and supporting links, etc. As predicted, you were able to supply nothing.
Also, it's not as if Peru had not been something of an exception to a rule (martial law be desperate measure, of last resort) and it's not as if it's been a like a beacon of hope, freedom and light since then, nor has been bastion of stability since then. What has taken place there was swings from Aristocratic rule to militarism, to Socialism. What a fine example!
I have already explained just why I will not go to the lengthy time and effort that could require - for you.
Since then you've proven my reluctance to waste effort on swine such as yourself, a good choice.
Characterizing my words as "histrionics" does not refute what few things I have mentioned that are against your proposal. It's not my fault those few items serve to underscore how bad your idea is. The stoopid is all yours.
I do not have to go to the effort to produce a detailed list of other possible actions -- short of imposition of martial law --- in order to show that idea of yours truly sucks.
It is yourself who lacks this "intellectual integrity " you speak of. You keep throwing terms around as if those would apply to myself -- but not you more fittingly.
When dealing with me, all you've been able to muster is a few mumblings (what is effectually equivalent to 'hand-waving') interspersed with insult aimed at myself personally. You began there, taking up from where you left off on a religion forum thread.
THAT is the "butthurt" you're still riding. Until you get off it it, I may keep reminding you, though like on that religion forum thread, eventually I will tire of your filled diaper jackassery, and not respond to the latest of your ongoing series of crap-tastic tirades.
If I actually was "third-rate intellect" as you assert -- that would serve to make things just that much worse -- for you. You've been repeatedly out-done and defeated by one whom you've referred to as "third rate".
What ignorance of history? You mentioned -- Peru -- while supplying no details. We are to follow your lead ans assume the consequent? (that there are plentiful examples of martial law being imposed by other than despotic regimes? Like hell would anyone need assume any consequent that you suggest.Make an actual case, establish it, or STFU.
A few grunting noises accompani4ed by hand-waving empty assertion, followed by fling of poo is anything but "solid refutation" of anything I have asserted.
The more actual fact of the matter has been that you've consistently skipped over (and away from) anything that served as refutation towards your ill-advised recommendation (that President Trump should impose martial law).
There you go again with the projection thingy.
Read the rest of what you posted to me, back to yourself, while gazing in a mirror. I couldn't have said it better myself. It fits you to a "T".
You asked. I answered.
Now you want me to feed it to you like an infant.
And do you REALLY think anyone over the age of ten believes you won’t give a viable alternative because I’M the one asking?
You answered with a single piss-poor example.
The bowl is empty.
But your diaper is still filled to overflowing. You can eat that stuff leaking out of it, yourself. Do not try to feed it to me. When will you ever learn? Each and every time you try shoveling it may way, you'll end up with it right back in your face.
Why shouldn't they? All they'd have to do is take gander at the conversation here.
Additionally, you cannot provide fully rational reason for imposition of martial law. It would be madness to attempt it ---at this time, and I seriously doubt that you'd troubled yourself with looking into just how that could possibly -- legally-- be justified in the first place, or else you'd likely as not would have not suggested it in the first place.
But no -- I will not go and do THAT homework FOR YOU, either.
Get off your lazy, poo-filled diapered ass and DO IT YOURSELF.
Then, do as you have demanded others serve yourself (as for supplying alternatives to imposition of martial law) and publish the results here on this forum.
That work, as difficult, and as time consuming as it could likely be, would be short-work compared with providing anything near a full listing of options to President Trump presently declaring martial law, although many items in a list such as that (alternatives to NOT declaring martial law) could & should fairly well go without saying.
It was a ridiculous demand when you made it. Better would to have been to have narrowed things down to closer specifics, such as; -how to contend with judges who do not follow higher "Law" precedents (while they hide behind technicalities, etc., that sort of thing having been by now been something of a long-ongoing problem) and how to deal with rumblings from among legislators that best serve no one's interests save for those who would wish the United States be rendered weak, and taken up with fighting among "itself".
Leadership, baby. Get some inspiration. Trump has had some of that already. Get some more -- and keep looking until the time is ripest to declare it (having by that time --pre-declaration-- already lined up actions to be taken, and the actors who would implement the vision). OR -- declare little to NOTHing and Just Do It. Short of declaration of martial law, of course.
Besides, unless you could see *something* in the above, it could be possibly too complicated for one such as yourself to comprehend, or else you would have thought to look around for it, yourself, rather than use the demand as artifice to support your emotionally-driven evaluation of present political circumstances -- and to defend your self having made ill-advised statements.
If you could ever get your own ego under better control, then perhaps there could be productive discussion. Proposal of alternatives need not be limited to merely my own self doing all the heavy lifting, either.
In the meantime, we still have rule of law, regardless of the multiple occasions those laws are not well followed (or else manipulated and twisted beyond recognition).
One simply cannot break laws and impose yet other 'law' (preferred by some minority, even if that minority be OURSELVES) by fiat, throwing out the Constitution in order to save the same, and expect long-lasting positive results.
Now that that has been well enough settled -- what would you propose short of imposition of martial law?
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