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What if instead of yelling 'Drop your weapon,' police asked 'How can I help?'
CBC ^ | July 31, 2017 | Shanifa Nasser

Posted on 07/31/2017 7:43:09 PM PDT by Loyalist

After a 911 call for unknown trouble, officers arrive and find a man in distress, wielding some kind of object.

Three words, known to those in law enforcement as the "police challenge," pierce the morning air. "Drop your weapon!"

Seconds later, gunshots.

It's an all-too-familiar scenario at coroner's inquests in Canada, according to some mental health experts. This week, a jury in Ontario is expected to reveal a list of recommendations that are supposed to give police the tools to respond effectively to civilians in crisis.

The recommendations come after a weeks-long inquest into the fatal police shooting of Michael MacIsaac, a man who, four years ago, ran naked through a suburban Ajax neighbourhood on a cold December morning following a physical confrontation involving his wife and sister at their home.

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Jennifer Chambers, one of 18 witnesses who testified at the inquest, is executive director of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health-funded Empowerment Council. The organization has long advocated for improved training for frontline officers who may encounter many different shades of mental illness on the job.

Chambers has made her case at more than 10 different police shooting inquests, including the one for 45-year-old Andrew Loku earlier this month, and says she's noticed some common themes.

"The police see somebody holding something they find threatening and they give the police challenge … When the person doesn't drop it, they just keep yelling," Chambers told CBC Toronto ahead of the release of the jury's recommendations.

Instead, she would like to see officers first ask: "What's going on? Can I help you? Is there something we can do? Let's talk."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: ajax; banglist; canada; coronersinquest; durhampolice; leo; police
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CBC dared not open reader comments for this article, and not just because a coroner's inquest is an ongoing legal proceeding, but because Ms. Chambers' naivety has been savaged elsewhere online.

Incidentally, this is a picture of the man just before he was shot, running naked in December through his neighbourhood:


1 posted on 07/31/2017 7:43:10 PM PDT by Loyalist
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What if instead of yelling 'Drop your weapon,' police asked 'How can I help?'

So the bank robber could have the cop carry the bags of money to get get-away car?

2 posted on 07/31/2017 7:47:02 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Loyalist

LOL!!!

No....

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Rock hard stupid.


3 posted on 07/31/2017 7:47:03 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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I hate the CBC.

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4 posted on 07/31/2017 7:47:24 PM PDT by Mears
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Why not “let’s hug”?


5 posted on 07/31/2017 7:47:28 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative.)
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To: Loyalist

Somebody has been watching “Demolition Man”

“What seems to be your boggle?”


6 posted on 07/31/2017 7:47:35 PM PDT by digger48
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What's going on? Can I help you? Is there something we can do? Let's talk."
Soon to be famous last words.
7 posted on 07/31/2017 7:48:26 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (Islamophobic? NO! IslamABHORic)
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To: Loyalist

She needs to conduct her own study on how well that works with deranged drug-hyped criminals running naked towards her, then report back to us if she’s still alive.


8 posted on 07/31/2017 7:48:32 PM PDT by GnuThere
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Anyone who has owned a TV has seen a cop show. Which means they’ve heard the Miranda Rights. Anything I say can and will be used against me, blah, blah, blah.

The police still say this to anyone they arrest, although everyone has heard it a thousand times.

Likewise, anyone with an IQ above 50 knows that the police do not like to deal with someone holding a weapon. They will ask you to drop your weapon. If you do not drop it, they will shoot you.

Who doesn’t know this?

Finding an “alternative approach” seems like a waste of time.


9 posted on 07/31/2017 7:48:51 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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Oops...left out the first part.

“Mellow greetings sir. What seems to be your boggle?”


10 posted on 07/31/2017 7:49:19 PM PDT by digger48
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“Let’s blow this guy.”


11 posted on 07/31/2017 7:49:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Yeah. Hold still while I kill you.

Forget that . . .


12 posted on 07/31/2017 7:51:36 PM PDT by BraveMan
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They could “Be Well” him so that he might have a “Joy-Joy Day!”

(That movie was so prophetic on so many levels...)


13 posted on 07/31/2017 7:52:22 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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There was a recent story about a police officer in Indianapolis. He stopped to render aid to a vehicle that had flipped over, with two occupants inside. One officer, Lt. Anthony Allan, approached the car, even looked inside to tell the people he was going to help them, to stay calm.

Allan turned around to ask a witness a question, and the driver pulled a gun. He shot Allan 14 times, eventually killing him.

Some people are just out to kill, and it doesn't matter how helpful and calm you are to them.

14 posted on 07/31/2017 7:52:22 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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Afraid of the naked guy? WTF was he holding?


15 posted on 07/31/2017 7:53:16 PM PDT by Delta 21
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16 posted on 07/31/2017 7:53:34 PM PDT by PROCON (President Reagan, your worthy successor has arrived to save our beloved America)
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Cops: "What's going on? Can I help you? Is there something we can do? Let's talk."

Perp: "Yeah, can you stand right where you are, so I can get a bead on ya?"

17 posted on 07/31/2017 7:54:19 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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I’m pretty certain some officers do that already, when it appears that the subject is unfocused and not making much eye contact. Some folks can be convinced not to make a bad situation that much worse by resisting arrest. However, the moment the subject does engage and looks to present an escalating danger, all bets are off.
Some people will only be further inflamed by any attempt at any dialog with a police officer, especially those who proclaim their hatred of any and all cops. So this tactic is risky.


18 posted on 07/31/2017 7:54:23 PM PDT by lee martell
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Canadians. Geez. The minute the weather turns, they get weird.


19 posted on 07/31/2017 7:55:35 PM PDT by BraveMan
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I have no problem with a cop yelling “Drop your weapon!”.

But I do have a problem with one cop yelling “Drop your weapon!” while a second one yells “Hands up!” while a third one yells “Get down on the ground!” Obey one command, and get shot by the two cops you didn’t obey.

I witnessed an incident like that (luckily, it did not involved a weapon, and no one was shot). But different cops were yelling different commands, and the subject kinda froze as he didn’t know who to obey.


20 posted on 07/31/2017 7:56:10 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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