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Nearly 2 million California acres were set aside for frogs. But ranchers say decision ignores them
Sacramento Bee ^ | July 31, 2017 | BY DALE KASLER, CAROLYN WILKE AND RYAN SABALOW

Posted on 07/31/2017 2:45:06 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Tiny frogs and toads used to swarm over the Sierra Nevada. Now they’re considered endangered, and the government says they need to be protected.

California ranchers say those protections are hurting their ability to make a living. So another conflict over the Endangered Species Act is going to court.

The California Farm Bureau and two ranchers’ associations sued the U.S. Fish and Wildife Service on Monday, challenging a year-old decision to designate more than 1.8 million acres of rural California as “critical habitat” for three endangered species of frogs.

The critical habitat designation subjects farmers “to substantial regulatory burdens that impose, among other things, study costs, risk assessments, mitigation fees, operational changes, permit fees, and consulting expenses,” said the lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. “In some cases, these burdens put the rancher’s livelihood at risk.”

At issue is the fate of the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog and mountain yellow-legged frog, named for the yellow on the undersides of their legs and abdomens. The third species is the Yosemite toad, named for the national park where it was first discovered.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: envirowhackos; habitat; legacy; obama; ranching; wildlife
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1 posted on 07/31/2017 2:45:06 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This will really work out great for Californians when Calexit happens...Those little frogs will help the economy lost by those nasty old ranchers...


2 posted on 07/31/2017 2:54:32 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Whats next the frogs get drivers license and can vote


3 posted on 07/31/2017 2:55:41 PM PDT by al baby (May the Forceps be with you Hi Mom Its a Joke friends)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, It’s hard to be GREEN!

No more CA FRIED Frog Legs.


4 posted on 07/31/2017 2:55:47 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Reminds me of a project I heard they did in Davis (I think in Davis, although town might not be right). Anyway there was a roadway that frogs were crossing and getting smashed on, so they decided to tear up the road and put in a culvert pipe to allow the frogs to cross the road safely.

Once in use, the birds quickly learned of the magic frog producing hole and posted up on it. Now hardly any frogs make it to the other side......


5 posted on 07/31/2017 2:56:51 PM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Frogs pay taxes?


6 posted on 07/31/2017 3:01:07 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Some decades back I took a course in environmental law at a U.C. school.

The "professors" were practicing lawyers.

One of the lectures that I remember most was on how the endangered species act could be used, completely fraudulently, to overstate (in complete deceit) environmental impacts.

Forget environmental quality. The "greens" do not like private property.

7 posted on 07/31/2017 3:05:13 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except for convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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8 posted on 07/31/2017 3:09:19 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; bray

Shut up and croak!


9 posted on 07/31/2017 3:13:03 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If California were to secede from the union and become an independent nation, it would quickly become the highest taxed nation in the world.

For environmental reasons, it would very quickly put all agricultural concerns out of business as well as destroy the logging & timber industry, commercial fishing, mining, drilling, refining, manufacturing, coal, gas & oil, power generation (of reliable industrial capacity), and most construction (other than high speed rail to nowhere).

They’d open their borders and treasury (welfare) to all comers. They’d be totally opposed to war and would have no military or defense department. Their police would not be armed and would not be allowed to enforce the law anyway.

They’d raise the minimum wage to $30, but would pay all citizens a guaranteed wage anyway, whether they work or not.

They’d institute single payer healthcare and clampdown on how much doctors could make (and therefore most doctors worth their salt will flee). Universal healthcare will cover everyone 100% for everything, but unfortunately, there will be precious few providers of medical services.

Taxes on the wealthy will become confiscatory to pay for all the above, so most of the wealthy will flee (even the Hollywood wealthy).

It will quickly become impossible for corporations to make a profit, so capital will dry up and corporations will shutter their doors and flee.

No wealth, no capital, no industry, no jobs. Only illegal aliens, queers, trannies and would be welfare recipients left.

And the treasury will soon dry up, so even the welfare recipients will flee.

Last one out, please blow out the candles.


10 posted on 07/31/2017 3:21:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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Last one out, please blow out the candles.

Assuming that the California government would permit people to freely leave. There might be an exit tax. Or the People's Republic of California might erect the Orange Curtain with barbed wire and watchtowers to keep people in.

11 posted on 07/31/2017 3:24:00 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius

Yup. And then the gulags and slave labor camps to do the necessary things, like providing for the top dogs.


12 posted on 07/31/2017 3:29:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Fried frog legs, yum!


13 posted on 07/31/2017 3:34:11 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

California the granola state. Was isn’t fruits or nuts is flakes.


14 posted on 07/31/2017 3:56:44 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Publius

an exit tax


As I recall, the California Franchise Tax board tried to collect income tax on pensions paid to retirees who moved out of state. Courts struck that down, but it shows their thinking on the subject of leaving.


15 posted on 07/31/2017 4:11:52 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Seaplaner
Forget environmental quality. The "greens" do not like private property.

Google the Wildlands Project. You'll quickly learn how much they hate private property and how they and the U.N. are working behind the scenes to try to eliminate it.

16 posted on 07/31/2017 4:13:37 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They used tis excuse to shut down Little Rock Dam, Creek and All the Mountains East of Angeles Forest Highway. My Back yard at my ranch is Angeles Forest, we still ride our Dirt Bikes there, because well, it is my backyard, but it is illegal because of this FROG!


17 posted on 07/31/2017 5:36:25 PM PDT by eyeamok (Idle hands are the Devil's workshop)
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To: SkyDancer
No, frogs don't pay taxes. Stupid people who pay $500 to $5000 per month in property taxes for lots the size of postage stamps do...☺
18 posted on 07/31/2017 7:15:10 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: eyeamok

You live over by Little Rock Dam? Used to be my stompen grounds in the early 60’s.
Beautiful area of the high desert, loved it as a young man, still remember picking peaches around Little Rock and Pearblossom as a kid.
25 cents a flat, good money back then.
Used to hunt quail up along Mt. Emma road, don’t suppose you can do that anymore?
My Brother still lives up there in Juniper Hills, right by the Devils Punch Bowl.
I only get down to So. Cal. once a year nowdays, to see my Brother and a few friends, do a little bit of bird hunting in October.
Beautiful area, don’t let the stupid progressives drive you out.


19 posted on 07/31/2017 7:50:39 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
" Nearly 2 million California acres were set aside for frogs. But ranchers say decision ignores them"

I clicked on this deceptive headline that enraged me!!! I am agsinst giving Nearly 2 million California acres to Frenchmen!!!!!

then I read the article......now turning bright red!!!!

20 posted on 08/01/2017 2:10:07 AM PDT by crazy scenario ( We can't take you anywhere!)
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