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‘From what I understand, they are proposing using a completely untested “treatment” on him. Giving chemicals without any real knowledge of how they will affect a human body could very well cause him pain.’

If the treatment has been used on other kids, how is it “completely untested”?


87 posted on 07/13/2017 9:35:23 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic wotk using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
If the treatment has been used on other kids, how is it “completely untested”?

I do not have any evidence of what this "treatment" might be, based on the news stories. The name given makes no sense from a scientific view. Furthermore, we have no idea where the parents were intending to take the child, or whom they found to "treat" him.

Several people have speculated about what the "treatment" might be, but there is no evidence that any of the speculations are true. There is also no evidence to link the doctors and hospitals that have spoken up in the news to this case. It seems they are people found by the journalists to say something related to the story.

With all of that said, the only potential treatments that actually do exist and are described in the medical literature are in very early stages, years from human testing. There is no FDA approved treatment and no treatment in clinical trials. The children who have been reported as receiving treatment for a mitochondrial disease in fact have a different disease than Charlie. There is no scientific reason to think their particular treatment would work for the disease that Charlie has.

89 posted on 07/14/2017 3:58:04 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Fantasywriter
‘From what I understand, they are proposing using a completely untested “treatment” on him. Giving chemicals without any real knowledge of how they will affect a human body could very well cause him pain.’

If the treatment has been used on other kids, how is it “completely untested”?

There are quite a few issues going on with this case.

The primary issue is that there is *no* indication of what the parents are proposing the "treatment" should be. Not a single article has published a single detail specifically linked to that case that would allow me to make any kind of informed judgment as to what is going on. The term that has been used, "nucleoside bypass therapy" is completely nonsensical from a scientific point of view. In fact, it is that term that has led me to suspect that the parents actually found some quack who has enough knowledge about scientific terminology to be able to throw words around as if he is actually knowledgeable on the subject. Word salad using fancy $15 words is still word salad.

I've seen nothing more than speculation about what the "treatment" will be. Well-meaning people have linked medical reviews of extremely early drug development efforts at treating mitochondrial deficiencies of various types. Those early development efforts are a good two decades out from being brought to the clinic--and the chance that they will pan out is low, given that only about one out of every hundred or so drug candidates ever makes it past early animal testing. (Drug development pipeline: in vitro, in cells, rodent/fish testing, primate testing, human testing in phase 1 safety, phase 2 dose-finding, and phase 3 efficacy. In the best case scenario, this takes at least a dozen years... real world conditions, it takes far longer.)

The issue about what kind of treatment these other kids who have a *different* mitochondrial disease have received is closely related to the second issue. Have these kids received this treatment in the context of a clinical trial conducted with IRB review, in conjunction with the FDA, with good solid scientific grounds on which to believe that the treatment might have beneficial effect? Or is this just something thrown together by some maverick physician who really knows nothing about clinical trial design or how to assess data, and the parents are convinced they see improvements because of a displaced placebo effect? If the latter, then how do we really know that whatever is being given these kids is safe and is not causing them pain or discomfort? And how do we know, given the lack of details on what has been proposed to try on Charlie, this is the same treatment?

The last issue is one I mentioned above: that the kids who have reportedly been treated for a mitochondrial disorder have a *different* disease than Charlie. While visible disease symptoms may be similar, on the biochemical level these diseases are very distinct. So, even if there were an FDA approved drug for tk2 deficiency, and it had a well-defined safety and efficacy profile, it could still be useless for Charlie because its mechanism of action is completely ineffective against the defective RRM2B enzyme in Charlie's mitochondria. Or here's a real-world analogy: if both you and I have a broken front door, the fix for my door won't necessarily work on your door. If I try straightening the hinges because doing that worked for your door, it won't help my door if the problem is that a spring in the latch mechanism has sprung.

119 posted on 07/14/2017 4:24:11 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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