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To: C19fan

When I went to school at ESU the ‘black fraternity’ was well-known for their organizational skills. They would keep copies of every exam, that every member took, and then allow their current members to access to those copies when studying for their upcoming exams...giving them a huge advantage (even beyond the institutional advantages they already had), as many professors either recycled test questions exactly (in one case) or used similar questions in future exams (in many cases). Of course the white frats could have done the same, but they were too busy partying to think of it.

So, I would not mind seeing these operations shut down...but then that’s just my opinion.


11 posted on 07/13/2017 5:18:31 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: BobL

As I understand it, fraternities were an affordable way for students to live away at school. Never had much use for them, but have no opposition either; just make them follow the same rules as anyone else (in terms of alcohol consumption and such).


14 posted on 07/13/2017 5:23:47 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: BobL
Gonzaga is still too small (5500 undergrads) to have fraternities and sororities. Ergo, never had it, never missed it. Nowadays, kids are so unprepared for college, and the frat/sorority system makes it worse. IMHO, of course.

I couldn't have availed myself of a similar system in my major. I had the same professor for all of my accounting classes (30+ hours) my last 3 years. His tests (midterm and final) were all essay questions, and he thought up the questions while walking the two flights of stairs from his office to the classroom.

18 posted on 07/13/2017 5:29:04 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: BobL
They would keep copies of every exam, that every member took, and then allow their current members to access to those copies when studying for their upcoming exams...giving them a huge advantage (even beyond the institutional advantages they already had), as many professors either recycled test questions exactly (in one case) or used similar questions in future exams... So, I would not mind seeing these operations shut down...but then that’s just my opinion. If professors give graded exams back to students, why is it a problem if students use them as study guides? It's not against the law, although it may be against the spirit of academics.

As you pointed out, white student groups could have done the same--perhaps other "white groups" at your school did; I know that many groups, in many schools across the country have done similar things. Perhaps, instead of blaming the students for being resourceful, we should blame the professors for being too lazy to come up with new exams? It would not be burdensome to do so.

There have been many horror stories about fraternities and sororities in the news. These are young adults, and they sometimes make bad decisions. I'm not defending everything they do, but there are many good things they do as well. In any case, why would you want to eliminate the entire Greek system because some of them organize and show resourcefulness when it comes to studying for exams?

22 posted on 07/13/2017 5:39:43 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: BobL
When I went to school at ESU the ‘black fraternity’ was well-known for their organizational skills. They would keep copies of every exam, that every member took, and then allow their current members to access to those copies ...

Like the Delts at Faber U, only more organized?

28 posted on 07/13/2017 6:04:53 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: BobL

When I was at Bama, I learned how future Alabama politicians began their cheating to win careers. I watched The Machine (Greeks) steal an election right in front of me. It was a College Republican election. The Greeks did not expect a large turnout of folks voting for new officers. When they saw they were going to lose, they began stuffing the ballot box. The fake winner eventually joined the staff of a RAT politician. Hahaha. I don’t remember his name, or I would look him up to see what he is doing now.


45 posted on 07/13/2017 11:59:03 AM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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