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Minimum Wage Cruelty
Townhall.com ^ | July 12, 2017 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 07/12/2017 5:38:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: cyclotic
One of my daughter’s is a lower level retail department manager for a national book chain. She earns $11 something an hour and gives 110% to her employer and more importantly to her customers. She manages the children’s department. Several mothers have told her that they want to go see her at the bookstore. They know her name and seek her out for recommendations and to have some fun. She brings tremendous value to the company. I know that she’s got the eye of the store management and hopefully regional management. Hopefully, her reputation might bounce her up to a different position with higher wages and responsibility. In the meantime, she’s on the stepping stone. That’s what entry jobs are supposed to be.

It sounds like she is very good at what she does and she enjoys it. The real question is does she WANT to go higher than she is? Perhaps she is happy doing exactly what she is doing and she is providing a service that keeps the customers happy and coming back for more? I am a capitalist and believe everyone should have the opportunity (by their own means and hard work, not given to them) to do exactly what they want and earn all they can...if that's what they want. Perhaps it's my experiences but I have been on the promotion path in several positions I've had in my career, some to executive level positions, but I can honestly say some positions that paid the most, cost me the most, too, in intangibles and tangibles...family, time, peace of mind,even health, etc. I have also had positions where my earnings were very good but what I felt like I was contributing to others/society was worth more than I could ever earn. As my children are entering their earning years and raising families my wish for them is to enjoy what they do and make a difference in their lives and the lives of others...if that rewards them handsomely in $$, so be it, if it rewards them in different ways, then so be it.

21 posted on 07/12/2017 6:44:11 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: Kaslin
For someone entering the work market for the first time, minimum wage is like a ladder where the first rung is 15 feet up.

22 posted on 07/12/2017 6:46:43 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: Kaslin

If $15 is good, why not $150?


23 posted on 07/12/2017 6:50:59 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: b4me

the love of money is the root of all evil.

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A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

Ecclesiastes 10 V. 19


24 posted on 07/12/2017 6:53:27 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.)
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To: cyclotic

“or many years we had virtually none because we were too busy paying for them”

Amen brother

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“My wifestill gets all excited when she can go to the store and spend $20 without worrying about it”.

Amen again. Know thw feeling well.


25 posted on 07/12/2017 7:00:02 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

My reasoning for my proposal is that with higher minimum wage, a true entry level grunt job will go unfilled because the value of the work is not worth the cost of the wage.

But, for young people, the value of work is not learned as easily, because minimum wage is too high. As someone else said, minimum wage is not meant to be a career wage.

For a kid, who’s food, shelter, clothing and basic needs are paid for by his parents, that first job or two is for learning how to work, show up, be courteous and not get fired. Getting fired can also be a tremendous learning experience, one that’s better to learn when you’re 16 and not 25.

If you were that productive as a youth, I’m sure you wouldn’t have been at my sub-minimum wage proposal anyway. I didn’t say that employers had to pay that, I said that they would be able to.


26 posted on 07/12/2017 7:00:36 AM PDT by cyclotic (Trump tweets are the only news source you can trust.)
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To: Kaslin
These communists and socialists only do what their masters tell them and suck up the propaganda with every breath like the useful idiots under Lenin in 1917.

They think Marx and Engels are the greatest economists to ever live and Marxist theory is utopia.

27 posted on 07/12/2017 7:08:26 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Kaslin

What ever happened to the belief that you earn what you are worth? Whether or not you like it, you are simply a TOOL that is used to produce income...nothing more. Don’t like it? Do something to improve your worth to an employer.

With that in mind minimum wage workers are like union workers. Their collective ignorance astounds me! Why? Let me delineate the perfect example: Let’s say your employer makes a net profit margin of 7%. That is that he makes a clear profit of $7.00 after paying all bills and expenses. Now the government (or union thugs) come in and tell him he is now going to pay the minimum wage employees $5.00 per hour more. Guess what happens?

His matching social security goes up accordingly. His gross operating costs went up substantially. Any (and all) insurance and/or employee related costs based upon employee pay go up. WHAT CAN HE DO? Raise the price of his services or products to try to maintain the same profit margin he had before the mandated pay raise!

Then...the union mentality kicks in again because they want another pay hike because for some strange reason their cost of living went up with the pay raise...and the circle goes around and around again... That’s what union members do: Strike and get a pay raise because the cost of living over the past years has gone up. Once they strike there is now more expendable income in the community and the prices go up again...and the circle goes around and around again.


28 posted on 07/12/2017 7:10:38 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Graybeard58

She was asked yesterday if she could provide child care once a week for a home school group. It is a paid position.

She’s going to do it and said she may donate most or all of her wages to ministries.

That’s one benefit of empty nest.


29 posted on 07/12/2017 7:11:10 AM PDT by cyclotic (Trump tweets are the only news source you can trust.)
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To: DH
Political corruption has facilitated a flood of bodies at the lower end of the labor market. This was done on purpose. The minimum wage is necessary to thwart globalism.

Economics is politics. You cannot divorce the two. It took me a long time to realize that fact.

30 posted on 07/12/2017 7:15:27 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BitWielder1

When most Freepers were young the USA had not been flooded with 3rd world immigrants competing for every job. Ironically when adjusted for inflation the minimum wage was actually higher in the 60’s and 70’s than today.


31 posted on 07/12/2017 7:19:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
You can’t have open borders and no minimum wage that is a one way trip to Brazil style economics.

We shouldn't have either, and you probably mean Venezuelan style economics. Brazil's on the mend, Venezuela is an economic basket case.

32 posted on 07/12/2017 7:35:32 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Da Bilge Troll
If $15 is good, why not $150?

Exactly my point of discussion with Libs about MW, only I start with $1000/hr because even the most dense Lib can see that won't work. Then ask them where the magic wage is drawn and have them try to explain why they set it where they did. Once done, tell them about the McDonalds kiosks that have already started to substitute capital for labor when the wage hasn't even reached $15/hr. A Lib will never engage in an honest debate without having to resort to an emotional, factless, diatribe when confronted with the facts.

33 posted on 07/12/2017 7:40:52 AM PDT by econjack
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To: DH
News Flash!!! I am a senior citizen and on Social Security. My social security check hasn't gone up in 10 years or so. As a matter of fact, it has rather gone down, but my medicare premium sure has gone up quite a bit.

I know very well what happens when the minimum wage is raised, because I used to work at minimum wage jobs. Every time the wage goes up your hours are getting cut, so at the end you are making less than before. I am not blaming the business, I am blaming the government for forcing the businesses to raise their wages, and it doesn't matter if the employee is dependable and always on time. Or the employee is lazy, undependable etc.

34 posted on 07/12/2017 8:03:40 AM PDT by Kaslin (The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. Thomas Paine)
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To: central_va

Forget minimum wage, especially at the federal level. The feds don’t need to be telling the locals how much to pay their workers. Let the market do its magic.


35 posted on 07/12/2017 8:46:31 AM PDT by Purdue77 (I can't afford a tag line)
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To: econjack
Brazil is 3rd world country. You want that here? Brazil has a per capita income of $15,485(2016) (PPP; 80th) and is covered in favilas. They have no sewage systems and they dump raw sewage into the Atlantic ocean.
36 posted on 07/12/2017 8:48:43 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin

Seems like the powers that be have squeezed the current wage turnip as much as it can withstand. Raising the minimum wage will certainly allow for more taxes and union dues to be raked in at windfall proportions.


37 posted on 07/12/2017 9:10:58 AM PDT by 3rdTruths
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To: Kaslin
Re: “...making $21,000 a year as a cashier is no great shakes, but it's better than going on welfare...”

If only!

$21,000 a year QUALIFIES you for many welfare programs.

If she is a single woman, no children, she would be eligible for about $20 a month in Food Stamps, she would qualify for the most generous level of Section 8 rent assistance in most big cities, she would qualify for the most generous level of ObamaCare, she would qualify for phone assistance and heating assistance, and probably more programs I don't even know about.

If she has a child, add in full Medicaid coverage for the child and some medical assistance for Mom, free public schooling and multiple food programs for the child, additional Food Stamps, and TANF cash for the family, and the Earned Income Tax Credit.

38 posted on 07/12/2017 6:47:24 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: central_va

Re: “Until the USA gets a grip and cuts immigration to nothing, both legal and illegal, then I am for the minimum wage.”

I agree.

America has a massive - and completely artificial - over supply of low skill labor because of LEGAL immigration.


39 posted on 07/12/2017 6:54:12 PM PDT by zeestephen
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