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Stop Calling Them Progressives
Townhall.com ^ | June 30, 2017 | Joy Overbeck

Posted on 06/30/2017 11:33:59 AM PDT by Kaslin

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They are not liberals. Nor socialists. Nor communists. And certainly not progressive. They are not motivated by ideas, goals, ideologies, or any kind of reasoned position. Anything they say is not the reflection of any kind of reasoning, higher than that of a five year old. Their real “ideology” is one of a feeling of utter superiority to, and hatred towards, people who represent traditional Western cultures and values and, especially, American cultures and values. It is the oldest ideology in the world, and the most motivating — we are wonderful, and these other people are terrible, and the source of all evil, and we hate them.

That is what they are. And all they are. To give them a label is to give them credit they don’t deserve.

In fact, they are not a “they”, but rather a collection of “they”s, who have very little in common with each other than *who* they hate. A wealthy “liberal”, a college student, an Antifa “radical”, a BLM thug, a hispanic separatist, a fashionably left-wing celebrity, a hipster — these people don’t share ideas. Many of them really don’t have ideas, at least in any adult sense. They aren’t united by philosophy, or economic theory, or political theory. In fact, they really don’t even like each other very much. But, like the orcs they are, they come together when bashing, destroying, and ridiculing anything representative of traditional Western values.

This isn’t complicated. They aren’t complicated. And they are certainly not worthy of trying to determine what label suits them best, as if they had ideas that could fit coherently together.


21 posted on 06/30/2017 11:53:52 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Army Air Corps

I call them Repressives.


PROGRESSIVE = REPRESSIVE


22 posted on 06/30/2017 11:54:12 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I first studied Progressives during the 1944 campaign for U.S. President. Henry Wallace, who had hoped to be FDR’s Vice President, ran as a “Progressive.” It was very soon discerned that the Progressives were a thinly disguised cabal of the Communist Party. While Wallace went off to obscurity the Progressives lived on after WWII at UC Berkeley, at Wisconsin-Madison, and at the U. of Illinois and the various institutions in Chicago. Their survival was compromised when Communist North Korea invaded the South and the US entered into a war on a Communist state.


24 posted on 06/30/2017 11:56:14 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: Kaslin

I have always called them pro-regressive.


25 posted on 06/30/2017 11:58:07 AM PDT by Leep (Less talk more ACTiON!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“Call yourselves what you want you commies”.

That’s what it amounts to.

Most of the rank and file are Commie “Useful Idiots”. they’re too indoctrinated and ignorant to realize they’re being used.


26 posted on 06/30/2017 11:59:17 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Kaslin
... made up a shiny new name for themselves, “progressives.”...they should just cut out all the BS, cut right to the heart of the issue, and call themselves "Wonderful, Superior People".....
27 posted on 06/30/2017 11:59:47 AM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: jjsheridan5

They are Useful Idiots.


28 posted on 06/30/2017 12:01:11 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

They are useful idiots, serving on behalf of the people at the top, whose sole motivations are, once again, the oldest — power and wealth. In that sense, they are both useful, and idiotic. But the term “useful idiots” means nothing, when trying to identify what political ideology unifies them. “Useful idiots” just tells us that they are stupid, and useful, to someone. But the question is: are they progressive, socialist, liberal, communist? Not: are they useful, and are they stupid? In other words, what is the unifying philosophy behind these “useful idiots”.

And the answer is: nothing, other than feelings of superiority, and feelings of disdain and contempt. They don’t take positions because they have any real goals. They take positions solely on one basis: which position is most damaging to Western culture. That is the position they take, because damaging Western culture is their sole motivation.


30 posted on 06/30/2017 12:10:05 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Leep

There are regressive, that is factual


31 posted on 06/30/2017 12:10:31 PM PDT by Kaslin (The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: Kaslin

What they really are is wanna be social engineers who believe humans, except themselves of course, are a disease.
They believe in their heart of heart that most of the population should be exterminated. The remaining human race, by virtue of their charity would be able to live and keep them in the comfort they believe they are entitled.
By virtue of just existing.


32 posted on 06/30/2017 12:10:32 PM PDT by Leep (Less talk more ACTiON!)
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To: Kaslin

As long as this country continues to suffer under a vastly unfair income tax system, I am going to call them progressives. After all, they named the tax after themselves, so let them own it.


33 posted on 06/30/2017 12:13:05 PM PDT by NutsOnYew
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To: Army Air Corps

Very good. I’ve been calling them regressives.


34 posted on 06/30/2017 12:15:32 PM PDT by abclily
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To: abclily

Also, they are not liberals. They are libelers.


35 posted on 06/30/2017 12:17:25 PM PDT by abclily
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To: Kaslin
The word "Democrat" is another one.

Democrats absolutely HATE free and fair elections; and they do whatever they can to undermine our legitimate democratic process.

36 posted on 06/30/2017 12:20:17 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except for convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Army Air Corps
"Ideas have consequences"(Weaver).

The ideas of 1776 came out of a set of ideas consistent with liberty.

We tend to forget, or have never considered, that many world views existed then, as now.

Unless today's citizens rediscover the ideas of liberty existing in what Jefferson called "the American mind" of 1776, we risk going back to the "Old World" ideas which preceded the "Miracle of America."

There are those who call themselves "progressives," when, in fact, their ideas are regressive and enslaving, and as old as the history of civilization.

Would suggest to any who wish an authentic history of the ideas underlying American's founding a visit to this web site, at which Richard Frothingham's outstanding 1872 "History of the Rise of the Republic of the United States" can be read on line.

This 600+-page history traces the ideas which gave birth to the American founding. Throughout, Richard Frothingham, the historian, develops the idea that it is "the Christian idea of man" which allowed the philosophy underlying the Declaration of Independence and Constitution to become a reality--an idea which recognizes the individual and the Source of his/her "Creator"-endowed life, liberty and law.

Is there any wonder that the enemies of freedom, the so-called "progressives," do not promote such authentic histories of America? Their philosophy puts something called "the state," or "global interests" as being superior to individuals and requires a political elitist group to decide what role individuals are to play.

In other words, they must turn the Founders' ideas upside-down in order to achieve a common mediocrity for individuals and power for themselves.
"Why have we let such a small number of people dictate to us about this?"

Perhaps it is because, like termites, they worked at times behind the scenes and within organizations and institutions which were not suspected to be subversive to the ideas of liberty, such as the so-called "public" education system.

The following is excerpted from a series entitled, "Lessons on Liberty," by La Vaughn G. Lewis, Co-Editor, "Our Ageless Constitution" & "Rediscovering the Ideas of Liberty." The "Lesson" contrasts the Founders' Ideas of Liberty" to be taught to rising generations, with the Counterfeit Ideas being promoted in the so-called "public schools" of America for decades.

IDEAS OF LIBERTY:

(from America’s Founders and Presidents)

“The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.” (Jefferson - 1774)

“Statesmen may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone which can establish the principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.” (John Adams - 1775)

“The Sacred Rights of Mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the Hand of the Divinity itself, and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.” (Alexander Hamilton)

“Without God, there could be no American form of government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first and the most basic expression of Americanism. Thus the founding fathers saw it, and thus, with God’s help, it will continue to be.” (Dwight Eisenhower)

“The same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe, the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.” (John F. Kennedy - 1961 Inaugural)

“…it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor….”(George Washington)

“Now the virtue which had been infused into the Constitution…and was to give it…the stability and duration to which it was destined, was no other than…those abstract principles…proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence—namely, the self-evident truths of the…unalienable rights of man…the…sovereignty of the people, always subordinate to a rule of right and wrong, and always responsible to the Supreme Ruler of the universe for the rightful exercise of that sovereign…power.” (John Quincy Adams, on the occasion of The Jubilee of the Constitution - 1839)

"Today, across our nation, we see consequences of decades of gross neglect and outright censorship of the Founders’ ideas from textbooks and from our public discourse. We have allowed counterfeit ideas to dominate the public square, and the Founders’ principles have been crowded out. Unwittingly, many teachers and other unknowing officials have participated in the agenda of an unelected mind-controlling elite whose tyrannical actions have robbed generations of Americans from reading or studying the ideas that made America free. Like termites, they have eroded our foundations as effectively as if they had burned the books. Yet, not once have they been willing to call it by its rightful name—censorship. Once, in America, stifling ideas about the Creator and Creator-endowed liberty was considered unthinkable. . . .

"The ideas of liberty must be passed on from generation to generation if liberty is to survive. These ideas, when they are allowed to be examined freely, will prevail, because their appeal is to reason and to the love for liberty that is deep in the human heart. John Adams warned: “The people of America now have the best opportunity and the greatest trust in their hands, that Providence ever committed to so small a number…if they betray their trust, their guilt will merit even greater punishment than other nations have suffered, and the indignation of Heaven.”

COUNTERFEIT IDEAS:

(from some of those whose views have dominated national educational policy)

“The idea of God is the keystone of a perverted society. The true root of liberty, equality and culture is atheism.” (Karl Marx)

Our thinking is enlightened “in the degree in which we cease to depend upon belief in the supernatural.” (John Dewey, father of ‘progressive education’ and 1st President of American Humanist Society)

“…democracy is a human faith and movement, unencumbered by supernatural preconceptions.” (John Childs, a protégé of John Dewey at Columbia)

“…the majority of our youth still hold the values of their parents, and if we do not alter this pattern, if we do not resocialize ourselves to accept change, our society may decay.” (John Goodlad, 1971 Report to President, Schooling for the Future)

“As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially a faith in the prayer-hearing God, who is assumed to love and care for persons, to hear and understand their prayers, and be able to do something about them, is an unproved and outmoded faith.” (Humanist Manifesto II, 1973)

“…the most important factor moving us toward a secular society has been the educational factor. Our schools may not teach Johnny to read properly, but the fact that Johnny is in school until he is sixteen tends to lead toward elimination of religious superstition.” (Paul Blanshard, The Humanist, March-April, 1976)

“It [the Nat’l. Education Association’s publication list] includes the delegitimizing of all authority save that of the state, the degradation of traditional morality and the encouragement of citizens in general and children in particular to despise the rules and customs that make their society a functional democracy. The NEA is drifting into exceedingly dangerous waters, and probably carrying more than a few teachers and pupils with it.” (Chester E. Finn, Jr., Ass’t. Sec. Of Education & Prof. Of Education & Public Policy, Vanderbilt Univ., 1982)

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“Now, my countrymen, if you have been taught doctrines which conflict with the great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence…let me entreat you to come back. Return to the fountains whose waters spring close to the blood of the Revolution.” (Abraham Lincoln)

The recent "progressive" notion of what is loosely described as "political correctness," or "sensitivity," is simply censorship by another name, whereby some people, who believe themselves to be superior to their fellows, have assumed a right they do not possess as citizens under the U. S. Constitution.

Such censorship is a crude attempt to shut down political/religious opinions and intelligent discussion, substituting coercive pressure by those who wish no such reasoned debate.

Generations who have been "imprisoned" in schools which failed to teach them of their individual value and purpose under the ideas expressed in their nation's Declaration of Independence and protected under their written Constitution should now be informed that the First Amendment protects their freedom of speech, of expression, and that no "progressive regressive" has a right to censor away that right.

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson

37 posted on 06/30/2017 12:22:32 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Kaslin

“Stop Calling Them Progressives”

Yes, please. “Coercives” is much more descriptive. Find one that disagrees (without trying to coerce you).


38 posted on 06/30/2017 12:32:43 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (rightwingcrazy)
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To: Kaslin

Bkmk


39 posted on 06/30/2017 12:35:04 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is Mine)
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To: Kaslin

I should have said what they have in common is a uncontrollable urge to be social engineers.
Whether you call them Commies, fascist Marxist or whatever.

Exterminating ‘undesirables’ is what they would do if they thought they could get away with it.
If you count abortion then they have been getting away with it.


40 posted on 06/30/2017 12:41:00 PM PDT by Leep (Less talk more ACTiON!)
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